Must admit I’m seriously thinking of binning off face book . Was engaged in a “ Chat “ yesterday with others about the marches . Someone called me a homosexual , so I reported him . He called me it again so I reported him again . Being called names isn’t why I’m considering leaving , it’s because nothing was done about my complaint .
That’s a fair point, and probably slightly ignorant on my part. Slightly at a tangent, to me it’s amusing that migration has gone up since the brexit vote, when we’re explicitly told we’d be able to control our borders.
Being gun nuts might explain why the weapon used was one of these - an imported Mauser .30-06 bolt-action rifle.
And the architect of Brexit, which has impoverished us all, is standing in the wings waiting to capitalise on the disaster he was complicit in. Not to mention it’s 40 years of neo liberal free market economics of the type Farage is committed to, that’s the real reason working people are worse off than their parents and grandparents. It’s not migrants in dinghies that are robbing us blind; it’s billionaires in yachts. You couldn’t make this stuff up.
No enough notice is taken by those with genuine concerns over immigration of the success of Labour in bring down net migration and dealing with asylum cases. There's also moves to reduce boat crossings by greater cooperation with the EU and plans to create more safe and legal routes for vulnerable individuals working with the UNHCR to identify and process them. There's no quick fix, progress is being made. Nothing short of mass deportations will please the knuckle dragging flag shaggers that follow two names Tommy. https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/commentaries/labours-pledges-on-migration-the-data/ Net migration dropped to 431,000 in the year ending June 2025, a 52% decrease from its peak of 860,000 in the year ending June 2023. The increase in the number of returns, 10,652 asylum-related returns in the year ending June 2025, a 31% increase from the previous year. The increase in the the number of asylum cases it is deciding leading to a fall in the overall backlog of cases compared to its peak in 2023.
I would like to see SYL jailed again but put in a prison with Islamic terrorists . I do not see them being any different. I would also be inclined to deport his followers to Rwanda for a bit of soul searching.
I am sure that there is sufficient CCTV of these people to reveal any number of public order offences. We have face recognition technology and these people should be identified and charged. I would also be inclined to notify their employers who I feel might take action against them. Journalists should also be doorstepping them. Strikes me that these people are nit being scrutinised. Not sure what the likes if Steve Bannon are doing in this country anyway.
For those without Twitter, here’s the text: Believe it or not, I had an old school friend on today’s marches in London. He sent me some photos from the crowd. We went to middle school together and grew up on the same Eastern District council estate in Northampton. I asked him why he was there. He gave me two answers: 1.“The government doesn’t listen to us.” 2.“I want to feel proud of my country again.” He wore a Union Jack, not a St George’s Cross as he said that one had been hijacked by racists. He wasn’t there for Hopkins, Musk, or any of the professional ‘grifters’ as he put it. He was there to feel part of something bigger, though he admitted there were a lot of, in his words, “assholes” there. He’s an electrician. He’s smart. He’s not racist, but he’s not “PC” either. He’s not a fan of Keir Starmer but he also believes Farage would be a disaster. Oh yes, he’s a bundle of contradictions! But aren’t we all? I don’t know what ‘box’ we put him or the millions like him in. And I think pretending they’re all racists or fascists would be a massive mistake. Some were. But not all. This is about something bigger than immigration slogans or GDP numbers. For decades we’ve hollowed out our national life, underfunding and undermining the very institutions that once brought us together. Karl Polanyi, writing in The Great Transformation, argued that when markets are “disembodied” from society, when land, labour, and life itself are treated as commodities society pushes back. He called this the “double movement”: people seeking to protect themselves, to reclaim dignity and meaning when everything solid seems to melt into air. That’s what I saw in my friend’s photos. Not just anger, but a demand for belonging. We’ve replaced collective experience with atomisation. Without getting too nostalgic, programmes like the BBC’s Generation Game once pulled in millions every Saturday night, giving us something we could all talk about on Monday morning. Now we watch Netflix, Disney+, Prime, or Paramount, alone, in algorithmic silos. Football used to be affordable and rooted in community; now it’s millionaires playing for the profitability of billionaires. The NHS, the post office, the railways - all chipped away, run down, sold off or centralised, leaving people feeling powerless and disconnected. And don’t get me wrong: some kind of “Hovis Labour” nostalgia for the 1950s isn’t the answer. The country back then was often intolerant, grey, and deeply unequal. But what we’ve built since is a society that gives people little to hold in common, no collective story about who we are or what we’re for. I reckon that’s partly why my mate marched. Not because he wants to turn back the clock. But because he wants to feel pride again. Pride in a country that is inclusive, fair, and offers a role for everyone. Pride in a nation that has a respected place in the world, tackles grotesque inequality, and gives people something real to believe in. Polanyi warned that when democracies fail to provide a humane alternative, the backlash can turn authoritarian. This is how fascism grew in the 1930s, not because everyone became a true believer, but because millions felt abandoned and looked for strength, identity, and meaning wherever they could find it. If Labour and progressives don’t offer that story of renewal, if we don’t rebuild our national institutions, restore collective pride, and re-embed markets within society, the far right will do it for us, in their own image. And by then, it will be too late.
I agree with a lot he says, but I also feel some of what he says is through rose tinted nostalgia. Time has moved on like with every generation. Also, he’s part of said government. But this discontent has risen a lot in the past year since labour were voted in. What confuses me… where was all this during the conservatives reign? Yes there were protests, but this anti government vibe has only increased. Labour haven’t been great, always taking one step forward and 2 back with just internal cock ups. Conservatives on the other hand were an utter **** show and took the piss out of us all. But I generally see Labour actually caring that slight bit more about the populace. I’m giving them the benefit of the doubt currently
Agree with 90% of that, but still think Clive Lewis is being kind to his mate; most of that crowd have drunk the far right Kool Aid imo.
That's one way to look at it but I would suggest it is more that algorithms are designed to redirect you back to the echo chamber you are in and so you end up looking at a select viewpoint unable to nuance things. The "anger" part is more that people in that echo chamber are constantly sharing "the other side said / do/ are this" and so when you are stuck in this echo chamber you gradually become one of the group. There is a diminishing middle ground these days. The algorithms just push you back into the box you're most likely to interact with.
Just think its naive at this point to attend any event that is lead by these individuals. They were pushing re migration of legal migrants at this event, that is my Wife and the family and friends of many others on this forum they are talking about. They were talking about the need for violence against the left, that again refers to many people on this forum. I'm not sure how we should be expected to give anyone who attended this rally the benefit of the doubt, whether it was their intention or not? So the whole 'snobby, looking down' angle doesn't get much sympathy from me, what about their beliefs about people like me, my family and people like us? Why should I care about the feelings of people at these protests at all? Whilst many of them look down on people like us with hatred and disgust.
They follow the "eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth" kind of Christianity over there. Like all "religious" books there is plenty of contradictions for "a side" to cherrypick from as their interpretation.
And I'm sure left wing marches everybody asks politely where the nearest public toilets are and no-one pees in back alleys or wherever if they feel the need.
I suppose you would support them doing the same for left wing marches? Its hilarious how when there is a right wing march photos of people weeing against walls are spread everywhere (to show what type of people they are) and the posters seemingly genuine in the belief that on left wing marches everybody queues up for some portaloo or something. It is genuinely laughable that they think this.
Clive Lewis seems to have changed his tune!! Looks like he is on manoeuvres Maybe he's eyeing up the top prize and wanting to gloss over his previous one way thinking?
