(OT) Scroat gets man-handled by a big lad.

If this happened to anyone on here they'd be moaning like a bitch. It appears funny because it's some little chav, one of you lot got chucked out of a club for being drunk etc I doubt you'd say "Sorry I deserve this, please chuck me on the floor so I can have my punishment" YOU CAN'T JUST CHUCK SOMEONE ON THE FLOOR! Especially just for a ticket...

 

I don't believe in the crappy law that women should have equal rights or Muslims. Or the crappy law that I shouldn't be allowed to take your money just because it was yours . The kid is in the wrong yeah but the situation was under control and he probably would have been fined etc for not having a ticket. The guy who tackled him could have made a situation explosive and risked the safety of others. Completely unnecessary the kid was just being an arse and didn't really pose any threat.

 

So now we're dealing in absurdities? The reason the big guy 'assaulted' him was because the twat was inconveniencing a train full of people and insulting the steward.

 

This!

 

That's not the ****ing point. Little ****s like that kid would grow up knowing that they can do anything they want, and they need a sharp lesson and receiving a 20 quid fine or being told their naughty will not sink in with most people.

The fact that a good number of the passengers clapped and none complained pretty much sums up that they agreed with what the big bloke did and didn't mind being bumped into (risking their safety) if it meant that little **** was removed from the train.

****ers like in that video take advantage of societies understanding and the modern day laws. I just can't ****ing stand it when i see a nob head provoking someone by saying "howay then, what the **** you gonna do about it, exactly you can't do **** mate, that's right".

It's no coincidence that since corporal punishment is now considered a horrible and disgusting thing, that the new generation have turned into disrespectful little ****s.

I'm glad my dad used to clip me across the ear when i was misbehaving as a kid, because i didn't dare disrespect my teachers or anyone else, because i knew back then what I'd get when my dad found out what I did.

We need to stop being so soft and learn to deal with ****s properly. And no I'm not saying we should be as strict as they were back in our parents days, with canes and ****. But there's nothing wrong with clipping a naughty kid around the ear.

 

If you were being a dick in a club and the bouncer kicked you out in the same manor would that be assualt? No that'd be a job well done the instance here is exactly the same. Cant believe people are whining about this !

 

Amen

 

Ridiculous comparison. That's a bouncer's job, he is paid to handle situations like that. A more appropriate one would be that some guy near me decided I was being a dick and that I had no right to be in the club. He grabs me, wrestles me out of there and throws me on the ground outside. That is not reasonable, it's not his place to get involved.

 

It's not our place to get involved???

So we should just sit there and take it until the coppers arrive then?

We as a society should be able to take a stance when it comes to pricks like that kid, not I'm not saying we should beat anyone up who's annoying us, but if he's disrespecting people and behaving like a twat, people should be allowed to use reasonable force to deal with the matter.

 

Right... so say if you were being a dick towards his wife/girlfriend in the club, then it wouldn't be his place to get involved either. I see.

 

If we're going all out comparison if the Big man was queuing at the club and someone pushed in and got in without paying when the manager just catches him and the big guy (as in the video) says do you want a hand, and wrestles him out the club is that then assault? or is that just being a good citizen and showing little knob heads that not everyone in society is going to lay down and be bullied by them

 

Also bouncers are trained. Regardless I'm not sure that that's a good comparison.

 

What did he say to the steward that insulted him? Serious question, I can only work out about 5 or 6 words spoken in that video.

Basically though, the whole issue should have been dealt with as follows: Train continues to move, police radioed to pick up kid at next available train station.
If it is the policy of the company to halt the train because some fare dodger is refusing to leave, how on earth will they get anything done next time when there is no 'big man' vigilantes ready to throw the cause of the problem out onto the platform? Will they just sit there all day until the police come? What if it's a fairly remote station?

 

I used to get clipped round the ear and smacked as a kid and i'm a **** to my parents. Stuff like that doesn't work. I'm sick of people saying that kids (or just people) were more well behaved in the old days and more respectful, when in fact the vast majority of them were probably racist football hooligans who used to fight each other as mods and rockers when they had a spare minute. Society is no worse today than it was back then, in fact its probably better, at least kids today have a bit of freedom. Being soft has nothing to do with it.

As for the issue on the train i've already said that although the kid was in the wrong but the manner in which the bloke dealt with him was slightly over the top. Where I work (in a shop) , with no security guards we don't physically chuck people out of the store for shop lifting. We crowd them and make them feel uncomfortable as possible until they leave and we can get a good description of them. Most of the time they actually give the stuff back before we even have to ring the police. The guy on the train risked further violence and could have got other people hurt, fair enough if you want to put yourself in harms way to deal with someone but don't involve other people. Much better ways to deal with attention seeking little pricks imo than that.

For all we know anyway he could have had a perfectly legit reason for not having a ticket anyway.

 

General day-to-day behavior isn't better. Levels of civility are not better. Lots of things are better, but not those things.

 

What's your view on capital punishment?

 

fair play Bik, what that should have said is legally bouncers have to be trained and many are. either way it's a poor comparison

 

Yeah I agree ... The man's intervention was unnecessary ; it's not as if the kid was being violent, or was making racist comments, or was harassing a lady.

 

Just a comment on this .. I was listening to an ex constable chatting about this on Radio 2 earlier, he was saying about not taking the law into your own hands, conductors have protocols blah blah .. but then the presenter said that the lad in question had been in touch .. he'd said something along the lines of

"I'd been out celebrating finishing some exams with my mates and was asleep on the train when the conductor asked for my ticket, I did have one but gave him an old one out of my pocket, he thought I was taking the p*** and it all kicked off .. next thing I knew I was being threw out of the train by some big bloke. I have cuts and scratches on my face where I hit the ground. I couldn't believe it when this video turned up on youtube. I won't be doing anything about it though as I've got more exams later this week and need to make sure I do well in those" .. something like that anyway ..

So he could be lying, but they thought he was genuine enough .. seems like a bit of drink got the better of him and he was a bit confused after being woken up .. we've all been there ..