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WAR! What is it good for?

Discussion in 'The Premier League' started by Treble, Feb 11, 2022.

  1. Citizen Kane.

    Citizen Kane. Well-Known Member

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    Nah not my vibe.

    I don't drink.

    Haram.
     
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  2. Citizen Kane.

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    Although it is possible to pinpoint the moment Fosse gets to the end of his first bottle of Buckfast every evening.

    Starts cracking jokes that were funny in the 1950s.
     
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  3. Star of David Bardsley

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    I do have those shorts but I’m saving them for next summer when I’ll be demanding a beer in Mexico in loud, slow English despite speaking Spanish.
     
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  4. Archers Road

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    Or maybe it’s because the U.K. is actively opposing Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, while actively supporting Israel’s invasion of Gaza.
     
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  5. Star of David Bardsley

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    If we were supporting Russia or totally neutral we’d still have infinitely more nutters out on the streets cheering for Hamas. It’s the omni-cause. None of us are free until Palestine is free. West-hating faux-Communists, terrorist fanboys, trans rights activists unite.
     
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  6. Welshie

    Welshie Chavcunt fanboy dickhead

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    Ironically the left wing mentalists who want us out of any involvement with Ukraine are the same types absolutely furious with haven't started actively bombing Israel

    Same people who are also waving Iranian flags around
     
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  7. FosseFilberto

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    My bad - it was brb's, in response to your post ... apologies
     
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  8. FosseFilberto

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    Some cause for optimism..

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4g8p24zm3vo

    ... but I will say that Hamas's condition that precludes the resumption of hostilities if no deal is brokered is ludicrous.

    Time to end it all - release the remaining hostages and agree to disband / hand over the governance of Gaza to a moderate Palestinian regime committed to ending hostilities and establishing a peaceful coexistence with Israel.
     
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  9. brb

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    Haram?

    You logged into the wrong account bro. :bandit:
     
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  10. Welshie

    Welshie Chavcunt fanboy dickhead

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    Ye, CK you gotta log into your @PINKIE account
     
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  11. FosseFilberto

    FosseFilberto Pizzeria Superiore and some ...
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    ... well apart from the fact I didn't have a drink on Friday as I was picking my missus and daughters up from the station after the Stereophonics concert in Finsbury Park ... and they got back after midnight...

    See what happens when we ass-ume? <laugh>
     
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  12. brb

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    He's **** stirring, ignore the ****.
     
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  13. Welshie

    Welshie Chavcunt fanboy dickhead

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    Daughters have some actual taste there
     
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  14. Archers Road

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    I’m very much in the “Stay Out of Foreign Wars, The History of Which We Know Nothing” camp myself.

    And even if Russia and Iran are threats to British interests, that doesn’t make their enemies out friends. 80 years offering to hold Uncle Sam’s coat hasn’t really got us anywhere.
     
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  15. Welshie

    Welshie Chavcunt fanboy dickhead

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    That's pretty subjective, don't ye think?

    There might be plenty you know **** all about that some fella down the road knows all about.
     
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  16. PINKIE

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    The 'What next?' is crucial in these talks.

    Trump and Netanyahu need to abandon their crazy idea that 2.2m Palestinians will be permanently rehomed in Lebanon and Egypt, whilst they develop the new Mediterranean Riviera and then hand it over to Israel.

    And Hamas need to abandon the idea that they will remain in control of Gaza.

    It's not often talked about on here (or deliberately swerved when I mention it to CK) but both Netanyahu and Hamas have been unlikely bedfellows in all of this, both thwarting all attempts at enabling the PA to unite Gaza and the West Bank and move towards a two state solution. Indeed Netanyahu enabled Hamas' rise to power for this very reason.

    It's time to move on. Netanyahu needs to go, Hamas need to go, Abbas needs to go. And a proper internationally supported PA needs to be enabled to Govern both Gaza and the West Bank and work towards the only solution here, an Independent Palestinian state.
     
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  17. Star of David Bardsley

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    Hamas want the UN to resume the distribution of aid rather than the Americans. Almost like they’re in bed together and rely on taking their share.
     
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  18. Archers Road

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    Yeah, everyone with access to Google is an an expert in everything. I’ve noticed that.
     
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  19. Welshie

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    The key sticking point in any negotiation time and again will be the simple fact that Palestine's only two remaining territories are not politically or ideologically aligned so any lasting solution is simply untenable. Hamas, while being paid by Iran, will not give a flying **** how many civilians are slaughtered because they operate on the belief they're all "martyrs" who died for a worthy cause.

    I think any Palestinian who looks at the current situation and thinks Hamas is doing a better job than Fatah and the PA is a nutjob tbh.
     
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  20. Citizen Kane.

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    Not deliberately swerved at all.

    I've said many times that Netanyahu isn't interested in a two state solution. And tbh apart from a brief few years at the beginning of his career, he probably hasn't since forever.

    What I do point out in discussions about two states are practical considerations. Not insurmountable but really tricky nonetheless. The first one is the fact that the Palestinians have been governed by two different authorities for two decades, and those authorities hate each other almost as much as they hate Israel.

    The second is far harder and more costly to solve: How to establish geographic contiguity between the West Bank and Gaza with either permanently compromising Israel's security, or cutting the country in half.

    Both of these points have been deliberately swerved by the political establishment and the UN. In fact I don't recall them being discussed in a serious way ever. People just blindly parrot their "belief in a two state solution" as if it's as easy as signing a piece of paper.
     
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