Churchill? Odd choice for an example, given his own history with Israel/Palestine and immense racism. I don't really understand where you're coming from with your posts today, to be honest, Spurf. There's been virtually no defence of Israel on here and tons of criticism. I'd suggest that Starmer's been put in a very awkward position and is struggling to play it. Corbyn's issues with anti-semitism, both real and created, haven't helped him. He also cannot afford to make too many waves while Ukraine's in the balance.
Trump was rage tweeting at 3am because somebody pointed out to him his deal with Iran is identical to the one he tore up in 2018 that had been negotiated by Obama Come on, cholesterol, do your thing...
That's why I chose Churchill because despite his views he is viewed as a hero by history because he fought fascism. Where am I coming from? I haven't minced my words but the fact that you are not clear shows the gulf there is between England and the rest of these islands. Westminster is not a democratic institution only 34% of the voters voted for Labour. The electorate as registered was 48.2 million. 9.7million voted Labour. Corbyn's Labour party won 12.9 million votes and of course lost. It's plain isn't it. Corbyn won more votes then Starmer by a considerable margin DESPITE the campaign by Israel to blacken his name because he has always supported Palestine. Israel has completely infiltrated US and British politics and there is no clearer example than the 2019 election in the UK. The issue is not so much Israel, all countries promote their own case, the issue for me is the British governments support for that case. Both Tories and Labour are in hoc to Israel by virtue of their leadership. The MSM support this position. The British people find themselves governed by people with an allegiance to a foreign country and in the case of Scotland, Wales and Ireland governed by England, with all that baggage, acting as a colonial power. Voters in England are ill-informed by design but are still looking for an alternative, hence the rise of Reform. On top of all of this, our establishment is keen to hang on to its self perceived status as a world power and therefore hangs on to the coat tails of the USA who in effect call the shots over Britain. We are a US military base. So yes Starmer like all our post-war PMs is in an awkward position. There is a solution. The breakup of the UK into its four separate parts, all of whom can become prosperous European states and finally face up to a post empire reality. That is my position.
The 2019 election was the same as all other elections fought by a left wing Labour leader. The right made sure there were no splits so won most seats under the undemocratic electoral system we have. The media supported the right as it has always done. The more recent election had a weird result because Farage decided the Tories had lost the plot so didn't care about splitting the right wing vote. Hence the Labour 'landslide' which is again entirely due to the electoral system. Israel had no influence on anything really. And everyone knows the MSM are controlled by the right and are not to be trusted. If you didn't learn that while at school then you are not in a position to lecture others. I entirely agree on the UK breakup except that one of its parts was stolen from another country and should be returned.
I'm sure that, at some point, we might actually see one of Bob Vylan interviewed about Glastonbury...
Nothing, really. I don't believe that he actually holds antisemitic views. He's an old tankie and just opposes the West, which makes him view some dodgy people as allies. Referring to Hamas and Hezbollah as "my friends" was a ridiculous mistake, for example. The EHRC investigation into Labour antisemitism and his response to it was a disaster: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45030552 I reject some of their definition, but he just failed completely to understand how it would be used. He utterly failed to deal with the situation and it's still a millstone around the party's neck.
It's also Putin's. Corbyn won more votes than Starmer, but unfortunately it was for both major parties. He got about 500,000 more than Starmer and Johnson got over double Sunak's total. Corbyn's the equivalent of a football manager that loses every game 4-2. Yes, his side is scoring two goals every game. They're not winning, though. The idea that the rest of the UK would avoid Israeli or media influence is just unrealistic. You also appear to want to ignore the democratic will of the people of those countries.
So you follow the establishment line. It's not an idea, the Scottish Gov has condemned Israel from the beginning of the genocide on Gaza and has rejected overtures from Israel. At the moment about 56% of Scots want to leave the Union this would increase to something closer to 60% if Scotland also became a Republic. The Scots also voted to stay in the EU. The democratic will of Wales, and Scotland counts for nothing because the overwhelming vote of the English negates any poll. Northern Ireland will be better off when it returns to the rest of Ireland.
You need to get out more All the world's wealthiest per capita states are small countries. Producing a higher standard of living for the majority is far harder for England because of its population and its insistence on being a world player, when in truth those days should be over. Pop across the channel and see roads without holes, affordable trains that work, health services that work, pride from the people in their environment. Countries like France, Germany and Spain protect their industries, we've flogged ours, mainly to the USA. London is impressive but we don't all live there.
Wales voted clearly for Brexit yet you have happily ignored that plus Wales is dependant on subsidies from England and just cannot survive on it's own whilst i agree that NI would be better off in every way as part of a unified Ireland but again there is no mandate for that
Just the evidence of small countries in Europe. Ireland's per capita GDP is second only to Luxemburg in the EU and is exactly double that of the UK. Irelands population is similar to Scotlands. Scotland is wealthier than Ireland in terms of natural resources but GDP is lower. Wales is smaller again with a population just over 3 million. You cannot judge the performance of Wales or Scotland while they are part of the UK, but it would be strange if either were to do worse than similar countries in Europe most of whom do a whole lot better for their populations than the UK does. All of this easily available information but as I said the English in particular are so badly informed that they belive all sorts of nonsense. Like Brexit for example. Europe laughs at us. Sorry about the bold I C&P'd the first sentence from the world bank site and the rest followed in bold. I couldn't be bothered to re type the whole thing
I never mentioned what Wales voted for, my point was it makes little difference while Wales is in the UK what it votes for. Same old tired argument about subsidies,that we always hear from UK. What do you think would happen to an Independent Wales? Talking about a country not surviving when it is already colonised by England is funny.
You might like to research why Ireland's GDP is so high and whether it actually flows through to ordinary people....
yeah but the Irish gdp thing is solely because they offered low corporation tax to big companies so money is funnelled there by tech companies etc but in real economic activity not so much . Europe may laugh about Brexit but so what we had a vote and unless you don't believe in democracy thats the end - please don't suggest we go through that ****show again PS GDP is a pretty poor way to measure economic performance
What establishment line would that be, then? The Scottish government currently condemns Israel because, as you suggest, nobody cares. The democratic will of Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland is to remain part of the union. Scotland had a vote, remember? Plaid Cymru won't even suggest one. Irish reunification seems inevitable, but that'll take some time and a lot of work. And what do those two countries have in common? Are you suggesting that Wales and Scotland should become tax havens too? Seems rather at odds with your personal politics and rather unnecessary, as well. I'd take Scottish independence a lot more seriously if it wasn't just Tartan Brexit. Alex Salmond was just a fat Farage in a kilt. Both Putin apologist scumbags selling foreign misinformation to "patriots".
