I am not interested in putting an order on the failed democracy of the UK. We have far bigger issues than the failings or otherwise of previous PMs. Supporting a genocidal state and trying to proscribe protest and peaceful action in favour of supporting the continued destruction of Palestinians is fascism. The West is on the wrong side of history. Of course if you get your news from main stream media you will see none of what I am talking about. I can list Starmer's right wing agenda and his many u turns but if you don't know already it's probably pointless having this discussion.
One of the major reasons we are in this situation is the ill-informed English public. In Scotland and Wales people are more clued up on the way MSM operates.
I completely agree but every prime minister in my lifetime would have done the same. Only right wing labour leaders ever get elected. They are still better than Tory ones. Nothing has changed.
My aim on the politics thread is not really to debate. Having been on here for years (not606) I know we have many good people posting and reading. My real aim for my political posts is to make available to people what they otherwise may not see. I may be teaching my grandma to suck eggs, but I think what is going on in the UK is important enough to try to contribute to disseminating information that MSM either avoids or distorts. We are generally poorly informed in the UK because, of course, information is power. The proof of that is your point about only right wing Labour MPs getting elected. The Union is rocking, there is now a clear majority in Scotland for Independence with a growing call for direct action in the face of Westminster intransigence. IMO and common opinion in Scotland the only reason we are still in this Union is the miss information from the MSM. I apologise for making assumptions on what people may or may not know but because I still have family and friends living in England I am aware of how little they know about Scotland and what is happening. We get more news about the USA than we do about our own countries.
I am well aware that many labour MPs are left wing. My point was that Left Wing Labour Leaders never get elected as PM. The union is rightly unstable as it doesn't make sense. It would have been much better for Scotland and Wales to have been separate members of the EU. Perhaps you can leave the UK and rejoin. Scotland is much better educated and understands the issues better as does Ireland. England is the problem.
I think he has one - its just that it appears to be spinning like a weather vane in a whirlwind.... Starmer has demonstrated in the past that he can do the right things - which is more than can be said for any of the last 3 (arguably 5) PM's. But in Irish terms, he needs to 'cop on' bloody quick or he will be caught on the wrong side of history.
Politically, his moral compass was and remains pretty strong. It would be good if all our Politicians were perfect individuals, but unfortunately they are also human - and subject to human fallibility. I can live with those if he is at least trying to do a good job for the country.
I think those posting on this thread are pretty clued up politically, both domestically and internationally. But as with me here in Ireland, you can add the local Scottish nuances that are helpful in completing the picture. The biggest problem that I see we have here is that as this group is predominately Left / Centre Left in political leaning, there is a natural 'bias' in the sources we tend to refer to - and with that comes the echo chamber syndrome. I would love for there to be a more open conversation / debate on this thread, but unfortunately, with a couple of notable exceptions, there is little or no constructive commentary from the Right / Centre Right.
I think he is already on the wrong side of history. He was a Barrister and their job is to present the case of their client. The right or wrong is not his concern. I think he runs the office of prime minister in the same way. That to me spells no moral compass.
You should take a look at the The Prem board politic thread. There’s a right mixture of opinions there and very lively debate.
I have steered well clear of the Prem Board since the start as it always seemed a Zoo ..I will take a look-see.
It’s very lively and different to this one but a good variety of views and definitely not an echo chamber
Hmm He gave up being a barrister to become DPP which will have cost him a fortune. And having lawyers to defend people is a fundamental requirement of a functioning democracy so criticising people for doing that job is weird in my view.
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Just in case anybody forgot about the various crypto scams the Trumps were involved with just before Inauguration Day...
It's only weird if you accept the system without criticism. Once again I do not accept without question that our system is without flaws. Obviously you need lawyers to defend the people in the Dock but you should not run a country in the same way. Many democracies use the Inquisitorial system rather than our adversarial system. To make my initial point with Starmer it's interesting that our system is criticised as having the potential to focus on winning rather than justice and that exactly sums up Starmer's modus operandi IMO. In coming to power, he first said he would follow Corbyn's proposals and when he gained power he reversed that stance completely. Of course you can site many examples of PMs and politicians in general using pragmatism over principles but that works if like Churchill you were on the right side of history. Starmer is on the wrong side.
Talking of LAW, I may have posted this before it bears posting again at this time when the establishment seems to find it hard to understand the situation.
