Transfer Rumours The Great Summer Splurge Transfer Window

Depends. You have all indicated that you thought Anderson was sold too cheaply so clubs do entertain low bids if they need the money for account balancing. Could be their Manager has someone he really wants, but they don't have the money for, and so they need to offload?

While you probably won't get him right at the beginning of the window, setting a low price now and then going back later with a small increase might get them on the cheap, closer to the deadline.

Or maybe I have just lived too long in a country where you never pay the first price you are quoted and try and bargain everything down. It's why shopping in Marks and Spencer always takes me so long.

 

Stupid is paying too much surley? Newcastle have to operate within psr, so surley trying to get good deals is actually wise?

 

Lyon relegated. Some very good players there.

 

Pecking order will leave it difficult for Newcastle to take advantage. Legacy clubs have so many advantages naturally and thats before psr and wages are taken in to account.

There's too many people still scratching their heads on all this imo. Theres a major pecking order and Newcastle have to see what the legacy clubs don't fancy.... Yeah they could hoover up some crap the legacy club's aren't even looking at, but they're trying to be ambitious, so patience is required.

 

Talk about a new contract for Isak in the Times today - most important signing of the summer in my opinion!

 

That would be nice for sure.....it'll shut down the noise. The media has been desperately trying to sell him.

 

League?? I thought it was just one hamlet or Clan against the neighbouring ones.

 

Forest not keen on selling Elanga apparently, but he's on £48k per week there, offer double that and he'll come.

 

Only thing I'd be worried about would be the wage structure. If he goes to £200k p/w plus, then players like Tonali, Bruno, possibly Joelinton, Botman, Gordon, Livarmento and Hall could all want wages to boost as well, and that's before any new signings...

But having said that if we can cut the following: Odysseas, Ruddy, Gillespie, Hayden, Lewis, Lacselles, Wilson, Krafth, Targett - who managed about 40 apps between them last season, that'd save us around £370k p/w (or just shy of £20m a season) so we could probably do some decent contract upgrades for the squad.

 

Mate we can’t stem the tide on wages it is what it is, if we want to challenge for titles regularly we have to sometimes just pay what’s needed. Isak is worth increasing our structure, as is Bruno and Tonali. The rest won’t pick up that much yet, so we’ve got to be fine with it. Offset by offloading some ridiculous earners and it’s all good.

On Lyon, they’ve got that Rodriguez, 17 yrs and now represents England, plus Fofana. Quite an older team otherwise, but we could grab a bargain.

In transfer news the Rashford rumours are still ridiculously doing the rounds. Only slightly more stupid than the Grealish one, this makes zero sense. A player renowned for laziness, on nearly double our top earner. I wish these **** journos were sacked or had a license revoked.

 

Yeah think I kinda talked myself round in the end to thinking it wouldn't be that bad. Even if you put Isak on £200-250k and got rid of the rest you'd still have £240-290k to play with.

Rashford I'd take in a heart beat - people forget the player he was a few years ago. Don't think anything's changed but a systemic issue at Man U in the last 2 years that has made him look half the player he was but which player has come out of the last few years at Man U looking good? Maybe Amad and Mainoo .

Look at the last 4 seasons in comparison to Gordon (probably our best winger atm) - Rashford scored 54, Gordon 29 (Rashford scored 30 goals three years ago in a season). Granted there's three years between them but he's had 7/10 seasons hitting double figures for his career. As an option on the wing and up top for a sensible loan fee this year I'd take a punt on him?

 

I'd have him over Barnes....

 

Yet another article (Chron) about how we are having emergency meetings and won't be held to ransom on transfers. But I'm confused - Elanga, Guehi, Pedro, Semenyo, Mbuemo have all come off the back of 'best ever' seasons, so why the **** - if premium funds aren't available - would we be a) in for them, and b) surprised by big fees being demanded?

Feels at times that someone at the club is either really ****ing dim or really ****ing limited. We could've pushed last Summer for Trafford at £20-25m. He then goes on to have a 'best ever' season and then we're shocked by "Saudi tax" of £40m. It's a ridiculous notion because the City buy-back clause is £40m and he's just been part of a defense that shattered records on goals conceded. We seem to do something right in identifying Trafford, Ekitike, and others like Fresneda off the top of my head, but just cannot seem to get the players in.

I'd be looking at the likes of AC Milan, home of Malick Thiaw, Rafael Leao, and others, who have failed to qualify for Europe. Lyon, with Fofana, Almada, Appiah, Mikautadze and Rodrigues, are now in Ligue 2. Yet I'd bet my house that nobody from either club turns up - but isn't this what we need? Talented players who maybe haven't had the best season? Still a ways to go of course, but if the bid for Elanga has proven anything it's that we really ARE that obvious with the players we want, and really ARE that bad at bringing them in.

We need to put up or shut up this Summer. I can see us in an awful situation where we keep trying to get - what did Ashley call it? - pound for pound value and fail spectacularly. Elanga's a great case - we know exactly what Forest want, just get on a phone and get a deal done if he's the "one". £10m to bring him is £2m with amortization over 5 years so why would we balk at that?

 

Agree with the sentiment - and you're right we do seem to miss out on players despite being linked for the long term until they are out of our price range or other bigger clubs come in for them but in regards to the last sentence - Elanga is not the one. He's bang average and had a half decent season but we've offered good money for him and Forrest want silly money - rather walk away personally. Same with Guehi last summer, probably not worth £70m then or now, Etikite - we agreed a fee from what I remember but he wanted to try his hand at PSG and flopped. Think the club know what they are doing and can find decent value players. Would rather we are going after another Tonali, Bruno type value for money deals - hell even Isak at £63m was a snip.

 

I put Scalvini's name on the "surprise" thread, for all my concern about the activity I think this one will happen and be likely the biggest transfer of our Summer. Loads of potential, right side of 23, big injury means he's only appealing to the 2nd tier of clubs in Europe. I think we'll get him for good money as well.

The concern is if we're STILL bidding for Elanga after 11 months, where's the actual scouting? I actually agree that he's average, bit hot and cold but critically can only play on the counter - our issue now is we are being left with the ball and don't have enough creative players to produce something. Personally I think we need to get someone in who is a bit maverick as the whole "run hard and fast" only gets you so far and as we watched last season on far too many occasions, teams will just sit in (Everton was particularly dire) and we have no tools to unlock them. Sorry this post has meandered on, but the worst performances will resurface without new players and ideas. Could we not have moved much earlier for Cherki, for example? Even after he'd gone to City, is Oscar Bobb really not available? He's 22, very talented and something like 4th choice there.

There's so many options even for armchair Youtube 'scouts'/idiots. In goal if Trafford is too much how about Chevalier or Svilar? Both missed out on CL football. Or Verbruggen maybe? At the back, Thiaw, Diomande, Scalvini, Alexsandro look good alternatives to the overpriced Guehi and Van Hecke. In midfield, I'd see how much Baleba is but there's so many options out there at the likes of Lille, Milan, Roma, Lyon, Leipzig, and many others who aren't in the CL. In attack why £60m for Joao Pedro? What about Bobb, Leao, Fofana, El Bilal Toure, Openda, blah blah blah.

Hopefully we'll have a good Summer in the end, and even more hopefully we don't have to wait until August.

 

Fair point - does seem mad after a year we are miles off their valuation for Elanga - that doesn't make sense, unless we are using it as a stalking horse for the real target we are dealing with behind the scenes.

I'll keep banging this drum a RW and a RCB with no losses to the first XI (and replacements for any second XI outgoings) would be a decent summer. Scalvini (or any of those mentioned above) would be ideal and if you can get them in for £40-50m and go balls deep on a RW (£60m+) I'd be excited going into the new season mid August.

 

This stalking horse idea is hugely unlikely given we bid for him last year and the whole Guehi debacle.

Maybe there will be a curve ball somewhere but as it stands it looks like more Ashley-style negotiating on literally the most obvious targets you could imagine!

 

One thing I don’t think you are factoring in is background checks and character.

I get the impression that the ‘right’ person as well as the ‘right’ player is important to EH and rightly so. All you have to do is look at Man U’s recent buys to see why.

This potentially is a reason certain players are by passed by us. Bottom line, we’ll never know but I’m sure it’s a factor.

 

No doubt you’re right here, but I struggle with the concept that Elanga is the very best right winger for our team, that there’s simply nobody on this planet better than that!

 

This is in my mind the biggest factor of all.
The player has to fit in with EH ethics.
He could be a great player but a whinger/ disruptor etc so there will be scouting of the players attitude as well as quality.
No one knows the inside working at the club but my god we have dodged a lot of bullets recently.
If Elanga fits the bill and Isak has gave EH a good report and he fits the bill then no bother with the bid.
Pedro seems a funny one to me as he’s had a few run ins with colleagues and manager.
Everyone wants to find a hidden gem but remember we paid £35m for Bruno and nobody had flagged him up prior.