Shame on you schumacher

Flavio made the same mistake with Jenson though.

 

Flav's words came back to bite him in the arse though... So all's good.

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Didn't he call him a bollard or something? lol!

 

Eh?

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Now that the offending remark has gone.. can you please delete this one too? Thanks!

 

you might be right about button , to be honest i still cant make my mind up about him myself ,

i think after ralf schumacher had his number in 2000 frank saw jenson as a bit of playboy who was not taking his career seriously and probally saw montoya as the better bet -

 

Button has matured in to a bloody good driver though... Maybe with the right environment, some consistency and a little bit of encouragement, it may have happened sooner. Either that or he just had to get it out of his system.

 

I'm personally slightly disappointed by that comment. It's an unusual view on a death in the sport but each to their own and all that

 

Gents (and Ladies), I believe this is a textbook example of when to use the 'Ignore' Button...

EDIT: Oh and AG, BLS, El_B, do feel free to delete this for the sake of cleanup.

 

no doubt button is now a better driver than he was 11 yrs ago but frank was not to know that , i have allways had the impression that frank favours aggressive drivers and maybe thought montoya was the better bet at the time ----

i think next year will tell everybody a little more about button if the ferrari is competitive which it probally will be and if the mercedes is a better machine , i think then we will start to get a more accurate picture on buttons abilities --

 

think about it salmon and you will see it is fairly accurate -

 

I refrain from commenting on someone's death promoting another's career! Sorry

 

no problem -- i am afraid i say it as i see it -- probally a personality trait of mine --

 

I don't see the death of Senna promoting Hill's career... It left him in a position where he had to step in to some very big shoes, but it far from promoted his carrer. If you look at it from this angle, some people use it to put him down by saying that Senna would have taken that championship. Although that may be true, it's used on occasion to diminish what Hill did.

 

I think Bhaji is spot on. The pressure of stepping up to the plate after Senna died must have been huge, and he did very well to shoulder it.

 

cant quite agree with you there bhaji , senna no doubt would have finished his career with williams or at least until newey left williams , do you seriously think hill would have won his 96 WDC had senna still been there - not a snowballs chance in hell -

would frank had even kept hill on after senna had ripped him to pieces in 94 , or done the same to him in 95 as he surely would have done ? --

 

Its strange, Hill seems to be quite underated in my opinion. He drove for a few teams and consistently put in some good performances. He's not an all time great but he far far better than some gave him credit for.
Anyway back to Schumacher, after a quick read I still stick to what I originally said. A possible blot on his record, but a horrible situation for him to be in.

 

A comment like that just shows a lack of understanding of what Hill had to do. Your comment is irreverent in the extreme.

Saying things the way one sees it is, in principle, an admirable thing. But this is also a character trait one could associate with disrespectful, arrogant, bigoted ignorance.

 

True BLS, I didn't rate Hill until he drove for Arrows. Williams were totally screwed over by the FIA on almost every technical front, everything they held an advantage in was banned, and even stuff they hadn't even put on the car was banned (most notably the CVT, which would actually be useful in road cars), probably for fear of Senna doing what they actively helped Schumacher do.

as to Martials comments, it's an uncomfortable argument, not necessarily untrue, but probably best left unsaid.

 

you do have a fairly good point there bright ---
i suppose in fairness to schumacher if the decision to cheat came from a higher source at benettone which obviously would have been concocted by a combination of briatore , brawn and byrne at the time , and micheal had no say in it then it would have been difficult for micheal not to have gone along with it --

however as we know micheal was pretty ruthless behind the wheel and has never had any qualms about stretching the rules to the maximum and then some on the track so i doubt at that relatively young age if he was too bothered about the odd illegal system being applied to the car --

 

An excellent observation Martial.
I think your last sentence, which makes allowance for Schumacher's involvement, is a particularly good one.

 

For sure Schumi's tactics at Jerez 97 were ugly and were illegal, but his move on Hill at Adelaide in 94 for the Title was ruthless but fair in my opinion.

As for the car legality it's got nothing to do with the driver. He won't take the blame even if he knows because he didn't design or make it.