you referenced Israel nuking "palestine" which is the actual point i laughed at though the idea they would use a nuke on any of those 3 is for the birds
I think it’s a fairly decent illustration of Israel’s completely disproportionate use of force against a densely populated civilian area to be honest
I referenced Israel having nukes and being a direct threat to several Middle Eastern countries. I don’t for one minute think they would nuke Palestine, but the threat of the ultimate weapon is there, which allows them to use a ‘lesser’ force against whoever they want, with the threat of being able to ratchet it up to whatever level they want. This is effectively psychological terror against anybody who they decide to unleash their weapons on.
None of this is aimed at anyone on here... just a long winded walk through what I laughingly call my mind. I think it's pointless to look at the current middle east situation without looking at the role of outside government interference. In the 1950s the PM of Iran nationalist the oil industry. There was a military coup (backed by Britain, the US plus others) and they Shah of Iran was heavily supported by western countries (financially and militarily). They heavily industrialised the country and made many of the supporters and outside investors very rich. The people of Iran both benefited and lost out. The backwards religious leaders felt that their hold was waining and organised workers in unions were being heavily policed and victimised by the army, police and state who wanted to stop working class organisations rocking the boat As the this conflict continued through the late 1970s the religious powers grew in influence and led to conflict and the hostage issues which severely damaged the Carter presidency. The Iranian Revolution led to a massive right wing religious change of direction in Iran. The US and European countries sort to isolate Iran. The new Iranian leaders used this to pretend they were acting in the best interests of their people. The USSR used this as an excuse to invade Afghanistan claiming they needed to protect their borders. The US, UK and and European countries funded and trained the Afghan resistance... the ultra right wing religious zealots called the Taliban and their leaders including a certain Osama Bin Laden. At around the same time they also set about training and funding the Iraqi army...ruled by the dictator Saddam Hassan as there was a war brewing between the Iraq and Iran. The war devastated both countries and as it went on the US ensured that Iraq couldn't lose. They and our government turned a blind eye to Iraq using chemical weapons in the war and against their own Kurdish population. Iranian leaders used this war to get the population to get behind them (a bit like Thatcher did with the Falklands and Blair failed to do with Iraq in 2003). Towards the end of war the US shot down an Iranian passenger jet and instead of admitting they ****ed up they ducked and dodged the issue until it was proven. It was believed that Lockerbie was revenge for that. Russia had pulled out of Afghanistan but the Taliban were left with all their training and weaponry. All of this was used by leaders of all the countries affected to feed into the idea that everything about western or middle east countries was a threat and a danger. Anti Jewish hate was an easy target because of the way that Palestinian Intafada (inspired by the anti apartheid protests in S African) was brutally put down. The land grabs from the right wing Israeli settlers were supported and protected by the Israeli army which was and still is massively funded by America. IMHO it is the interference of western countries, arming assorted lunatics, dictatorships and ****ing mad men who they happen to find helpful at the time. Unfortunately, they never seem to realise that arming this assortment of psychopaths will ever come back to bite them in the arse. I have no idea how to solve these current global issues but I am of the belief that if we had never armed and supported these ****ers then maybe the world would be less dangerous. As it is we have people hating Jewish people hiding behind the actions of an Israeli Government and right wing settler groups (in truth they are simply anti semitic scum), people hating Muslim people because of the actions of various countries and terrorist groups (when in fact they are just simply racist scum) and **** all changes...just more innocent civilians die horrible deaths while the leaders act hard on TV. Not a very optimistic post but I think things ain't going to get any better in the short to medium term.
Now now now. Listen here. This is the PL board War thread. We have standards here you know. We'll have none of this balanced, reasonable and articulate opinion here please. It is considered impolite to not base an argument on personal insults. We also prefer to shy away from historical accuracy, sorry. You'll need to present a more reductive version of history whereby all of the world's problems since the beginning of time can be blamed on one of Donald Trump, Benjamin Netanyahu or Ayatollah Khameini. It is also regarded as inappropriate to admit to not knowing how to solve the world's problems. It is common knowledge that all of us on this thread know best and understand the intricacies of densely urban warfare and the science of nuclear fission far better than any of the so called 'experts'. I'll refer you to our thread moderator @Spurlock who you'll be familiar with from the Spurs board. He'll fill you in on the cultural and intellectual differences between that board and this so that you are better prepared ahead of your next visit.
It's a completely disproportionate illustration of Israel’s completely disproportionate use of force against a densely populated civilian area to be honest.
Isn't he the Shah's son, in line for the throne before it was over-throne? (I'll get my coat). Don't know too much about him other than the fact that as he has three daughters, the throne would pass to his cousin Patrick Pahlavi upon Reza's death. I am fully behind the idea of Iran being led by someone called Ayatollah Patrick.
Yep. He would have been the natural heir to the throne had the Islamic revolution not taken place in 1979
Well at least we’re in agreement about Israel’s completely disproportionate use of force against a densely populated civilian area, even if we don’t agree on the analogies
Trump adoring this attention lol Cancer is a **** cos it should have taken this fat prick 30 years ago
So let me get this right everything was ok till the war thirsty greedy West got involved? we seen this movie many times over our lives
Seemed pretty proportionate to me. What are we comparing it to to determine proportionality other than what provokes hysterical wailing from people scanning BBC News for naughty Israel headlines with their morning croissant?
Soroka Hospital in Be'er Sheva suffered a direct hit from an Iranian missile a few hours ago. Dozens wounded, some critical. This is the real litmus test of double standards. Will we see the same outrage and frothing at the mouth from the usual suspects, or will that outrage be caveated behind lots of ifs and buts?
It’s terrible when civilians get hit but Israel did x, y and z which I’m going to draw a ridiculous equivalence to because I’ve spent two years fapping over every bit of Palestinian propaganda while pretending to have been following this conflict for decades. Covers it succinctly enough. No need for me and Foss to argue it over 20 posts now.
Not sure they are the same exactly. Reminds me of the scene in predator when billy just fires his machine gun all over the show because hes essentially ythe country farmer militia compared to the predators pin point accuracy (i.e. Israel deliberately went for hospitals under the justification of hamas being there) whilst iran are just lobbing missiles willy nilly. In any case, heres hoping there arent too many casualties. No idea why they wont just take out the al khameni or whatever his name is and install a Western puppet head. It will hopefully end the war sooner and help us keep Iran under control for a short while.
