Shame on you schumacher

nobody could ever prove schumacher had illegal aids on his car but at the time it was the worst kept secret in formula 1 , when the FIA looked closely at the B194 they found the systems were on the car , but benettone insisted they never turned them on --- yeh ok

now his team mate has come out and said it , it just adds more fuel to that belief , lets not forget benettone were allready caught cheating with the fuel delivery system that year and briatore is not exactly mother teresa when it comes to fair play ,

nobody has ever said michaels team mates were better than him because they were not , they were purposely hand picked no 2 drivers who were there to follow team orders ,

i personally thought the little bit of argy bargy at adelaide was nothing more than a racing accident ,
to me hill was a little naive in trying a move on schumacher at the point on the circuit he did at adelaide when there was so much at stake ,when he could have easily picked him off on the strait , but lets not forget a WDC is not won or lost on the last race and you have to judge hill on the complete season -

 

to a certain extent i agree that briatore was the real villian at benettone forza , but you cannot deny the fact that unfortunately micheal was a party to it as well , as young and hungry as he was he must shoulder some of the blame ,
for me this was the one black mark on his CV in an otherwise brilliant and glittering career -

we are probally in the minority here but to me the contact at adelaide was nothing more than a racing accident ,
to me it is just unfathomable with so much at stake why hill tried to take liberties with somebody like micheal at a tight part of the circuit when he could of just wafted past him with the help of the superiour renault V10 on the long strait --

 

you will get no complaints from me MSC about any of micheals little biffs as i personally admired his ruthless streak and the way he went racing ,

lets not forget he was racing in an era when the drivers were not sanitized by silly rules as they are now so the drivers tended to be a little harder with each other than they are now --
--- i think people tend to overlook that little point --

 

No you haven't.

I know that you are a fan of Abraham Lincoln and have studied his speeches in great detail. So what was the comment he made about "fooling people"?

Well, Martial you are never going to fool anyone on here with your dodgy articles. We know that you dislike MS intensely. I know that as you are a Senna obsessive you have never got over the fact that MS was a better driver than Senna. Coming second in a car stuck in 5th gear was due to illegality?

 

Yes, those silly little rules that try to keep motor racing safe. How very silly and pointless they are. It's not like anyone ever dies in motorsport any more.

 

People tend to forget that other drivers were just as ruthless, Michael's name will always remain as the "villain of F1", but **** it eh..
It takes determination and balls of carbon-fibre to win 91 races and return to F1 and race drivers half his age "very well" risking his life every weekend, when people his age are sat on their fat arses in the pub with their pot bellies out.
Why is he in F1 in 2011 at his age taking up the seat of other promising drivers?: Because he has the race craft, bravery, maturity and intelligence to make a **** team better, proved twice in the past.. and maybe again.

 

This article demonstrates a total ignorance of the sport.

How can you hold a driver responsible for the "cheating" of the team?

Anyone that has bothered to follow F1 will be aware that all teams try to find some loophole in the rules. Their justification is that their competitors are doing exactly the same thing.

 

It is the sort of one sided gutter ****e that everybody likes to have a roll in.
Why do people on here not look at both sides of the argument, it is a joke.

 

think if you check my comments since i have been on the forum in general i have been fairly complimentry towards micheal , however as my topic suggests i was dissapointed with him for 1994 -

my comments are there for everybody to see -- i have never tried to hide anything --

 

have we also not said during the debate that we think briatore was also at fault --

 

[video=youtube;sfRTiPVsL0Y]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfRTiPVsL0Y&feature=related[/video]

I hope this puts an end to everybody's tripe.

 

Shame on you schumacher is what you wrote.

Flavio ran the team. The car passed the tests. Number 2 drivers to MS get upset by their inability to compete. You write rubbish.

 

as i said MSC apart from 1994 you will get no complaints from me about micheals style of driving ,
i never agreed about the team orders aspect of his career but then again that decision was probally taken by the todt / brawn / byrne / trio and any other driver would have jumped at the chance of being in micheals position ,

cant fault his driving style -- loved his ruthless streak and will to win --

 

Why have you brought up 1994 though, it is like bringing up 89-90 for Senna, surely you knew it would strike a match on here and people would get naffed, it is just unnecessary inflammatory stuff.

 

fully aware of what the title of my topic was and i stand by that as he was driving the car and knew what he was doing ,
but have i and others not debated that briatore was far from mother teresa in the sorry episode -

 

what would you like me to talk about then MSC -- whatever driver topic anybody starts is never going to please everybody -

micheal is one of the greats of the sport and people including me are still very interested in watching and talking about micheal --- it is as simple as that bud -

feel free to talk about senna and 1990 msc , that is what a formula 1 forum is there for mate --

 

cant see the pic -- have you any other way of showing it bud --

 

I don't understand this article.

Firstly, the title is aimed squarely at provoking a reaction, and doesn't go on to substantiate the claims with any real evidence.

Yes, the Benetton may have had some illegal systems on board, but how is that Schumacher's fault? He is contracted to the team, and as a young and up and coming driver, would surely drive anything which will be competitive. I can't think of another instance when you'd blame the drivers for the car being illegal. Yes, he could have said something, but would probably have lost his contract and any future in F1. Verstappen has taken nearly 20 years to come out with these comments, and even then he only accuses Schumacher of having illegal systems, which wouldn't have been his choice anyway.

I'm not a Schumacher fan, but this is hardly a reason to cast shame on him. This entire thread stinks of trying to provoke a reaction, and I almost feel bad giving you one!

Instead, can we not debate how Benetton managed to avoid FIA detection and subsequent penalties for these systems?

 

It's not worth worrying about Canary.

I'm sure it will all just become 'harmless banter' before long........

 

off course the topic was there to get people to comment on it , why else would anybody post a topic in the first place ,

you yourself have gave an opinion about michael / benettone / micheals contract , verstappen , illegal systems , which proves you have an interest in the topic which is the reason anybody here creates a topic -
------------------ its called healthy debate bud --