I would suggest letting go of the rope then Eire, as the lowest points that any club has managed to avoid relegation, in the last 25 seasons, is 32 which was in the 2023/24 season. Over the last 5 seasons, clubs finishing 17th ( and thus avoiding relegation) have obtained 38,32,36,38,39, thus the average for those 5 seasons is 37. For the last 20 seasons, the average number of points gained by the team finishing in 17th is 37 points. That is the minimum target that any newly promoted club should be looking to achieve, and yet if any of the 3 relegated clubs had achieved 37 points this season, they still would have been relegated. This seasons, Spurs had the most defeats of any team that has not been relegated (that finished in 17th position), with 22. The least number of victory's that a team achieved that finished in 17th position ( and thus avoided relegation) is 6, when in the 2004/2005 season WBA had 6 wins and 16 draws and avoided relegation by 1 point
Im hoping the last season will become the new norm where 26 points will be enough. Do the stats show that the points totals of the bottom three are diminishing every season
I've edited my post Eire, so hopefully that answers your question. The problem with the number of points diminishing for the team finishing in 18th and thus being relegated, is that in the last 5 seasons, 10 of those clubs relegated were newly promoted clubs. Of the 5 clubs that were relegated and had already spent at least one season the the EPL, only Southampton and Sheffield United finished with less than 30 points, and they both finished in 20th position. So whilst the number of points that a relegated club earn is indeed diminishing, this is more due to the fact that newly promoted clubs are struggling to compete in an established league, rather than existing members of the league achieving poorer points totals. We have to compete with 1 of the 17 clubs that managed to survive relegation, not hope that one of them suddenly becomes poorer than Leicester were this season. This is why I consider the average points total for 17th position to be more important than the average points total for 18th, as that should be the minimum that any newly promoted club should be aiming for. The fact that Leicester were relegated with 25 points this seasons is superfluous, they would have still been relegated if they had managed to achieve 37 points I've included the points achieved by clubs finishing 12th - 20th over the last 10 seasons in the EPL.
Well spotted LDS. I wasn't really paying attention to clubs, but rather points totals, so didn't even think about points deductions affecting the numbers
Wolves are losing their best two players in Ait Nouri and Cunha. They could be in big trouble. I've a funny feeling Forest might struggle. Their owner is a bit of a prick, the manager has to be unhappy with the way the owner acts, they have European football next season so have to play mid week most weeks and Chris Wood wont have another season like that again.
Ringmahon rangers in cork will receive 3m cut from Kelleher transfer. Fantastic for a small Amateur club
Phillips was bang average for us and that's being generous, he isn't premier league, we need better quality than that.
Miroslav Klose: “I stopped playing football because I no longer recognised it. Today, young players think about other things. As a child, I only thought about training and becoming someone in this sport that I always loved. At Lazio and in the national team, after each training session, I put myself in a bathtub full of ice to avoid injuries. But the young players on the team systematically refused. When they saw me picking up the bags of balls to put them away at the end of training, they said to me 'But who tells you to do that?'. At that moment, I said to myself: 'You're 20 years old and you can't help a 60-year-old worker?' They care more about whether their boots go with their socks. That's why I said stop. The football I knew no longer exists. Today's young players think first of cars, contracts with their sponsors, and their new boots. It is only after all these things that football comes. For them, their image is the most important thing. Whereas for me, all that mattered was football in its purest form.”
We can complain though, we are not the club. The stupid money ruined a player who, at the time, was pivotal to our team. Don’t blame him for taking the cash though.
I asked ChatGPT where we’ll finish and they said 17th or 18th. so my hope is there’s a bottom 4 fight and it’s the 3 promoted team plus scum.
Brentford lost an excellent keeper and have gained a very good one, they are about to lose Mbeumo who scored 20 goals. Thomas Frank is odds on favourite to become the next Spurs coach. I’d not be surprised if Brentford struggle this coming season, they need to get their next coach spot on. Attracting a top coach from abroad who has possibly never heard of Brentford and sees a stadium of 16,000 and a team who’ve never won a thing, it’s not going to be easy and I’m amazed they’ve held on to Thomas this long
ChatGPT cannot seem to make it's mind up then ChatGPT In summary, while Leeds United are not expected to contend for the title or European qualification in the 2025/26 season, their strategic planning and investment suggest a solid chance of securing a mid-table finish and avoiding relegation. GROK AI Prediction: Leeds are likely to finish between 14th and 18th. With smart transfers and Farke’s experience, they could secure survival around 14th-16th, but the risk of relegation looms large, potentially placing them 17th or 18th if they struggle to adapt. The final outcome hinges on their summer recruitment and early-season form. Ninja AI I would predict Leeds to finish around 14th-15th place in 2025/26. This would represent a solid first season back, achieving comfortable survival while establishing themselves again at the Premier League level. Google Gemini Potential for a Better Fight: Some analysts believe Leeds will put up a stronger fight for survival than the teams relegated in previous seasons, potentially accruing more points. Mid-table as a Best-Case Scenario: A mid-table finish is generally considered the best-case scenario for Leeds in their first season back, which would likely require significant squad strengthening. Claude AI A realistic expectation might be anywhere from 10th-17th place, with the primary objective being to avoid relegation in their first season back. Much will depend on their summer transfer activity and how quickly they adapt to Premier League football.
Ruined him? I disagree as he was over hyped and prone to lapses of concentration. Leeds did very well and i was very pleased that the club had stopped giving away players.
Forest pulled out a season for the ages with what they had at their disposal. I wouldn’t be surprised to see them come down with a bump from it. The Brentford situation I agree is one to watch though they have a habit of making good decisions with regards to replacements. West Ham are average, wolves inconsistent. Bournemouth if Iraola went to spurs? Hell I’m only warming up. Spurs and Man U are cannon fodder . Our target is to be better than whichever of them has the worst season,
I thought Phillips was shocking when he first broke into the Leeds team, didn’t understand why people at the club thought so highly of him. Then he improved. And looked decent. Then MB came in, made him lose some timber and played him in that single pivot role that suited both his attributes and the Bielsa system. He was outstanding under Bielsa. Brilliant range of passing, great reader of the game. Strong on and off the ball. Able to receive the ball and release it in tight situations. Too slow to play other positions, at the top level. Would I Have him back? Will he ever get his legs/fitness/confidence back? Would ‘playing for Leeds’ give him the motivation? Would he suit Farke’s system? A lot of question marks but a years loan with city footing most of the wages? Might be worth the punt. Depends how many other crocks we sign.
Maybe it’s dependant on the precise question asked. Tbf it did say there were a variety of opinions out there.
