I am proud! Plus player ratings.

Agree with most of your ratings except I'd knock Cabaye's score up and seriously question why you gave Sammy higher than Shola today. I make it practically my week's mission to insult Shola but today he was far better than usual and far better than a 3. I still would rather he was off the pitch but 3 is just too harsh on him after today's performance I'd say. On the other hand Sammy did pretty much nothing besides as you say, prove he needs a loan.

 

How deluded are you? There is no easy game in the Premier League and away to Norwich is a very difficult one under any circumstance. Our target this season was to survive/push towards mid table so stop putting down 'teams like Norwich' otherwise you are going to be very disappointed for the rest of this season.

Also since when did losing by two goals automatically mean that your performance can not be as good as the other teams?

 

This although I thought santon deserved a 7.

Terrible!

 

I can't believe some people's ratings here. We went to a difficult ground today, ended the game with ten men, with a depleted side anyway and had as much possession as them and as many chances as them. If we had bigger centre backs today we would have won.

 

Mostly agree with you to be honest!

Krul - 6 Nowhere near his best, but couldn't have done a lot

Raylor - 4 Terrible, couldn't really defend and most of his deliveries where appalling.

Perch - 5.5 Couldn't really help that he is smaller and weaker than Norwich's strikers. Made some good interventions but gave a way a few pointless free kicks

Simpson - 7 Was mostly solid, same as Perch, couldn't help being small! Made some good clearances and a great block

Santon - 6.5 Great going forward, average in defence but got the ball safe a few times by being attacking, shocking deliveries.

Obertan - 3 Woeful.

Cabaye - 7 Great vision for the assist and got stuck in well.

Gosling - 4.5 Some good movement and passing but ultimately ruined it by getting sent off. Telling that we improved once he was off though.

Gutierrez - 5.5 Not his best game, lost the ball a lot but still won some free kicks. Possibly the pressure of being captain got to him a bit?

Shola - 5 Could've had two assists, but other than that just walked around the pitch being a bit useless. Lost his head a few times too.

Ba - 9 Outstanding. Great finishing and mostly good attacking play.

Sammy - 5 Some good movement and a few dangerous crosses. Didn't do anything of particular note as he didn't have much time.

Smith - N/A Only heard his name once i think and i'm pretty sure that was because he gave the ball away.

Ferguson - N/A Had about 2 seconds on the pitch.

It wasn't as bad as most people are making out but i think it might've been a bit better (4-3?) if HBA had been brought on for Shola after our second.

Overall, not that bad, 3 goals conceded from being short and another from being unlucky. That's football i suppose, roll on next week against a team who don't just foul us off the pitch

 

Because you look to your fixture list and a good 3 points and performance against all the promoted teams at the beginning of the season. This its not the losing by 2 goals thats the problem, we conceded 4 against Norwich. Did their Goalkeeper make any saves?

Im looking at this game as a one of match and the performance was shocking. We all knew that the 3 previous games where gonna be hard and we played better in all three of them.

Theres always excuses and copouts but there comes a time when we have to say "ok we where ****" and we where!

 

I am embarrassed, after watching that, we were passionless and the fact Norwich won 4-2 says nothing about them. Here are how I'd mark them.

Krul- Not at his best should have done better for the 2nd goal 6
Simpson- Out of position didn't do a lot wrong 6
R Taylor- Went missing too often 4
Santon- Had glimpse but is no where near Enrique's standard 5
Perch- Brain dead needless free kick to concede and generally unconvincing hope he never plays for us again 2
Obertan- Spent most of the 1st half screaming at the computer with how bad he was 1
Gutierrez- Well below par, never really got going 3
Cabaye- Stood out in the midfield, brilliant ball for the 1st goal and didn't do a lot wrong 7
Gosling- Looked poor, then stupidly gave the ball away for the 3rd and is a coward for that tackle 1
Ameobi- Hit and miss, good work for the 2nd goal 6
Ba- Nusiance throughout and took his chances 9

Subs didn't have time to impact game and Pardew should have made them before Gosling was sent off.

 

In 100% agreement with these ratings.

 

Completely 100% disagree with this.

 

Cabaye might deserve more as that was a great assist, but again, overall, he wasn't at his best. I reserve the 7s, 8s and 9s for when he's pulling all the strings and controlling the game like we know he can.

And Shola was ****e in my opinion. A few good passes towards the end does not detract from the fact that he ****ing sucked for a full hour previously and did virtually nothing. He also gobbed off and got himself a yellow for no reason.

It's difficult to give Sammy a fair score as he wasn't on for long, so whilst he may not have done much, as long as he manages to do nothing wrong in those 10 minutes hes on, then it's difficult to score him low.

Who said any games were easy?

It's just a fact that facing up against Norwich is comparatively easier compares to the likes of Arsenal, Chelsea, Man City, Man Utd, Spurs, Liverpool and so on.

Norwich are a decent side but they are hardly renowned for an amazing attack force, yet they scored FOUR goals past us today. I'd forgive the team if that happened against a team like Man City, but Norwich? No. It's very poor.

Are you for real?

If one team out-performs another team, then they win. We did not have an even performance which resulted in a draw, or a narrow defeat or win. We got battered by four goals, and it's thanks to Ba that we didn't have a scoreline which many would deem a complete trashing.

We didn't control the game, we didn't pass the ball around and set up attacks, and Norwich were able to score with some textbook goals. Fair play to Norwich, we were outperformed from front to back, hence why we lost 4-2. They realised our weaknesses and exploited them thoroughly.

 

Sky Sports' ratings are strange

Krul - 3 - Beaten 4 times
Santon - 5 - Sloppy at the back
Simpson - 6 - Good at pushing forward
Perch - 6 - Adventurous
Taylor - 5 - Unsure at the back
Gosling - 4 - Earned red card
Gutierrez - 6 - Quick feet
Cabaye - 6 - Good attacking threat
Shola - 8 - Excellent distribution
Ba - 8 - Scored two goals
Obertan - 5 - Below par showing
Smith - 4 - Late introduction
Sammy - 6 - Loads of energy
Ferguson - 3 - Late substitution

No, I didn't mix Shola and Cabaye up. I think sky have

 

Not necessarily. If one team's 'keeper is having a blinder and the other team are controlling the game but ****ing up their chances then the worse team can nick a goal and win...

 

Then they didn't out-perform them. It's fairly self-explanatory.

 

here are the bbc stats
Possession
Norwich49%Newcastle51%
Attempts on target
Norwich11Newcastle8
Attempts off target
Norwich2Newcastle3
Corners
Norwich7Newcastle2
Fouls
Norwich9Newcastle8

 

Performance and result are not the same thing. Yes we conceded four, but we scored twice, it was a close game and they may have slightly edged it on performance, but it was a closely fought contest from the start to finish and we weren't as bad as you are making out.

Also any team can score 4 on there day. They only had four real chances an they converted them well. You are putting Norwich down a lot in my opinion.

 

What i'm saying is, one team can have 70 percent possession, 20 shots and still not score, if the keeper is on top form. The other team would have 30 percent possession, 1 shot, 1 goal and win. Having 40 percent more possession and 19 more shots would be easily outperforming them as a team! The point i'm making is that if a few players from the 'under performing' team play well and cause them to win, then the team has won without necessarily playing well as a team.

 

I think people use a variety of rating systems rather than the standardised one (the one used by papers and later, FM).

6 is when a player puts in an average, unspectacular performance, 7 when they have made a bit of an impact, 8 is a good game (maybe scoring/ making a crucial tackle that saved a goal), 9 is amazing (scoring 2/3 or keeping a clean sheet almost single-handedly), 10 is insane (unplayable and dominant).

5 is a poor game (giving away a penalty/ having 10 shots go wide), 4 is terrible (getting sent off/ giving away every ball etc), 3 is shocking (own goal, nothing but bad tackles), 2 or 1 would require something disgraceful like coming on, spitting on the fans and flipping off the Sky cameras and getting sent off in the 3rd minute, lamping the manager on his way to the showers.

 

I'd rather use smileys:

Krul - Not much to do but I feel that in the absence of Colo and Saylor he would've controlled things especially during set pieces . Just shows how much he still has a long way to go before becoming top class and being sold in a January Window

Raylor - Didn't do enough to stop crosses getting in but wasn't helped by Oby

Simpson - Tried his best but in the end you can't stop the inevitable

Perch - Was ok in the first half but I just felt that the wheels came off in the second half...

Santon - Was decent on the ball but has to try harder defensively ... Some of his forward runs even reminded me of E_r_q_e ...

Obertan - He was pretty poor going forward and got to say that he was rarely on the same wavelengths as his partners ... and defensively he didn't help at all so yeah one of his worst performances

 

Cabaye - Did ok, distributed the ball well at times but I think that only Tiote will get the best out of him ...

Gosling - He's a decent player but he just reminds me of Nolan ... tries to be everywhere at the same time but can't really get a grip on the game ... and picking up that red card was really unnecessary

Jonas - Just when you expected him to step up his game and lead by example ... Disappointed by the fact that he didn't get forward enough especially when Santon had the ball ...

Shola Ameobi - He did well upfront given the lack of service and defensively too ... he also set up a goal so don't see what people are barking about ...

Sammy Ameobi - Okish but imo he's not a winger and he's playing out of position ...

Ba : Seems more and more like the bargain of the century Didn't have much to feed on but scored 2 ,need I say more ??? If he does leave for the ACN, he'll be a massive loss ...

 

Yeah, lots of people give Benny a seven or eight based in one or two good moments in a whole match, regardless of if he is **** the rest of the game. I'm pleased Shola started and hope he plays v Swansea.