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FosseFilberto said:
He was making his 100th senior appearance for Barca last night - aged 17!

That should be screaming out to coaches everywhere... if you have kids that are technically excellent and have a good amount of physicality - give them opportunities and let them shine ... there is so much protection for players these days that the old adages about 'man's game' etc are out of touch ...

Yamal, Doue, Nwaneri etc get fans on their feet...

Da Yoof!
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Maybe these are the reason why we shouldn't allow it...

Exploitation of children for profit... https://www.humanium.org/en/recruitment-of-minors-in-football-the-regulation-of-young-players/

Increase in injuries... https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/ce3wqy9ygnvo

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Repeated heading of a football, even without causing a concussion, can lead to potential long-term brain damage in 15-year-olds, particularly concerning their developing brains. While a full concussion isn't always necessary, repeated sub-concussive impacts can accumulate and contribute to issues like chronic traumatic encephalopathy (CTE) later in life.

  • Brain development:
    15-year-olds are still in their adolescent years, and their brains are still developing. This makes them more vulnerable to the effects of repeated brain trauma.
 
brb said:
Maybe these are the reason why we shouldn't allow it...

Exploitation of children for profit... https://www.humanium.org/en/recruitment-of-minors-in-football-the-regulation-of-young-players/

Increase in injuries... https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/ce3wqy9ygnvo

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Repeated heading of a football, even without causing a concussion, can lead to potential long-term brain damage in 15-year-olds, particularly concerning their developing brains. While a full concussion isn't always necessary, repeated sub-concussive impacts can accumulate and contribute to issues like chronic traumatic encephalopathy (CTE) later in life.

  • Brain development:
    15-year-olds are still in their adolescent years, and their brains are still developing. This makes them more vulnerable to the effects of repeated brain trauma.
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Some good points, fair enough ... but some of these lads join clubs when they are under 10 ... and get way better care and money than they would do outside the academies...

... and unless they ban heading at U16s-U23s ... they are in just as much danger as playing for the first team in terms of dementia ...
 
FosseFilberto said:
Some good points, fair enough ... but some of these lads join clubs when they are under 10 ... and get way better care and money than they would do outside the academies...

... and unless they ban heading at U16s-U23s ... they are in just as much danger as playing for the first team in terms of dementia ...
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I think in the future, we will probably see more of an issue around dementia and heading the ball, particularly as we haven't really done anything about. As for exploitation, isn't that what the Football governing bodies do, exploit everything for profit. Even I wasn't allowed to start work full-time until I was 16, and that was decades ago. As much as I'd like to see the talent come through, I expect my reasoning for that would be miles away from why clubs would want to do that, everything has a price these days, how much is Yamal worth as one example - I've no idea his value but according to google it's 180M euros. In principle I've got nowt against seeing young talent, but as you state it's no longer a mans game, and as I would say it's all about the money, that's exploitation to me - not that I care, just creating the debate of maybe why we shouldn't.
 
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brb said:
I think in the future, we will probably see more of an issue around dementia and heading the ball, particularly as we haven't really done anything about. As for exploitation, isn't that what the Football governing bodies do, exploit everything for profit. Even I wasn't allowed to start work full-time until I was 16, and that was decades ago. As much as I'd like to see the talent come through, I expect my reasoning for that would be miles away from why clubs would want to do that, everything has a price these days, how much is Yamal worth as one example - I've no idea his value but according to google it's 180M euros. In principle I've got nowt against seeing young talent, but as you state it's no longer a mans game, and as I would say it's all about the money, that's exploitation to me - not that I care, just creating the debate of maybe why we shouldn't.
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Mate ... you're not having to watch, Jordan Ayew, Bobby de Cordova-Reid, and Conor Coady week in, week out ... <laugh>
 
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FosseFilberto said:
Mate ... you're not having to watch, Jordan Ayew, Bobby de Cordova-Reid, and Conor Coady week in, week out ... <laugh>
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One of my biggest moans is the lack of English players in the starting lin-ups of some Prem clubs, if we really wanted to do something in regards development of youngsters it should be around this. I thought part the idea (I'm probably wrong) of setting up the PL, was it would be less games and help the National team, but instead we have some teams with barely any English players starting and it all being about money, not for any national gain at all.
 
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Premier League clubs are not required to start English players, but they do need to include a minimum of eight "homegrown" players in their 25-man squad. A homegrown player is defined as someone who has been registered with a club affiliated to The Football Association or the Football Association of Wales for a continuous or non-continuous period of three entire seasons before their 21st birthday. This rule doesn't specify that a player must be English to be considered homegrown.

I'm thinking back to when we last won the World Cup. <whistle>

Here's a more detailed look at some of the clubs:
  • West Ham United: Bobby Moore, Geoff Hurst, and Martin Peters were key figures in the West Ham squad and also played for England.
  • Manchester United: Sir Bobby Charlton, a legend of the club and English football, was a crucial part of the 1966 World Cup winning team.
  • Fulham: George Cohen, a defender, played for Fulham, which was a part of his entire career.
  • Everton: Ray Wilson, another defender, played for Everton during this period.
  • Leicester City: Gordon Banks, the goalkeeper for England, played for Leicester City.
  • Other Clubs: The squad also included players from clubs like Liverpool (e.g., Roger Hunt), Tottenham Hotspur (e.g., Martin Peters), and Chelsea (e.g., John Hollins).
Edit: AI has omitted Nobby (Man United), Big Jack (Leeds United), Alan Ball (Everton) and George Cohen (Fulham?) ...Think it means Martin Chivers at Spurs (also Jimmy Greaves) and you could also have had Terry Payne (Southampton).
 
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brb said:
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Premier League clubs are not required to start English players, but they do need to include a minimum of eight "homegrown" players in their 25-man squad. A homegrown player is defined as someone who has been registered with a club affiliated to The Football Association or the Football Association of Wales for a continuous or non-continuous period of three entire seasons before their 21st birthday. This rule doesn't specify that a player must be English to be considered homegrown.

I'm thinking back to when we last won the World Cup. <whistle>

Here's a more detailed look at some of the clubs:
  • West Ham United: Bobby Moore, Geoff Hurst, and Martin Peters were key figures in the West Ham squad and also played for England.
  • Manchester United: Sir Bobby Charlton, a legend of the club and English football, was a crucial part of the 1966 World Cup winning team.
  • Fulham: George Cohen, a defender, played for Fulham, which was a part of his entire career.
  • Everton: Ray Wilson, another defender, played for Everton during this period.
  • Leicester City: Gordon Banks, the goalkeeper for England, played for Leicester City.
  • Other Clubs: The squad also included players from clubs like Liverpool (e.g., Roger Hunt), Tottenham Hotspur (e.g., Martin Peters), and Chelsea (e.g., John Hollins).
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You've omitted Nobby (Man United), Big Jack (Leeds United), Alan Ball (Everton) and George Cohen (Fulham?) ...

Think you mean Martin Chivers at Spurs (also Jimmy Greaves) and you could also have had Terry Payne (Southampton) if memory serves...
 
FosseFilberto said:
Some good points, fair enough ... but some of these lads join clubs when they are under 10 ... and get way better care and money than they would do outside the academies...

... and unless they ban heading at U16s-U23s ... they are in just as much danger as playing for the first team in terms of dementia ...
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that process has already started and like rugby the game is going to be radically changed by medical; lawsuits.
Wouldn't be surprised if Rugby Union has to become a shadow of the game it was to survive .
 
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FosseFilberto said:
You've omitted Nobby (Man United), Big Jack (Leeds United), Alan Ball (Everton) and George Cohen (Fulham?) ...

Think you mean Martin Chivers at Spurs (also Jimmy Greaves) and you could also have had Terry Payne (Southampton) if memory serves...
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I didn't miss anyone mate, shows how **** AI is <laugh>
 
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FosseFilberto said:
Apologies - since re-read your original <laugh>

Remember collecting World Cup Soccer stars 1970 as a ten year old ... many of those names were still in the England Squad ...
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Think I did the Panini stickers at some point, but the one that stands out is the Esso coin collection for the 1990 world cup. A whole lot cooler than the 1990 world cup itself.
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Think I did the Panini stickers at some point, but the one that stands out is the Esso coin collection for the 1990 world cup. A whole lot cooler than the 1990 world cup itself.
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One of the garages - might have been Shell - did collectible plastic heads for one World Cup ...
 
FosseFilberto said:
Apologies - since re-read your original <laugh>

Remember collecting World Cup Soccer stars 1970 as a 70 year old ... many of those names were still in the England Squad ...
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I think Newcastle have the highest number of English players in our squad if I recall correctly, Eddie Howe seems to relish filling our squad with them and I suspect we'll focus on it again this summer.
 
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