Match Day Thread Hull City v Derby

Unfortunately the owner listened to those who whinged about Rosenior and his style of play and they be happy not challenging for the play offs as song as they could see attacking football and the result was to bring Walter in who promised this

 

• Don’t think William Hill will give you odds on Bristol beating Leeds, or Leeds beating Bristol today.
  

 

50 years ago if i was walking back along Anlaby Rd after a disappointing afternoon, my dear Dad would say, 'Ah well, worse things happen at sea.' Spent 5 hours on the journey back to SW London last night reflecting on a few nautical disasters. I don't have much to add to the generally high level of discussion on here about what Ruben Selles has got wrong in the last few weeks, but would echo that, even though he's been in poor form, not giving Pedro at least half an hour seemed madness to me, and also that I really don't think Gelhardt is a number 10. of course he deserves to be in the team, and I know people have said he ain't a winger, but for me we desperately miss a no 10 who can play the ball through the lines, and create for others. I thought Alzate and Puerta both had decent games but needed someone in front of them. About the only moment I can remember in recent games when someone played a killer pass from midfield was Palmer slipping the ball through for Gelhardt to score v Oxford.
Ah well, it's been fine margins all season, and fine margins will determine whether Ruben Selles keeps us up, which is all I ever expected of him this season, or takes us down. At least I only have a 90 minute drive to Portsmouth.

 

Reminds me of my dad saying the same phrase plenty of times.

 

Wonder if 'worse things happen at sea' was an expression used more by Hull folk than other parts of the country!

 

Yep. The time to discuss this properly is after the season but this is the fundamental issue. That misdiagnosis of the playing style being to blame whenever we didn't win under Rosenior is what set us on this path, leading to a new manager with a "more attacking style" who had us scoring far less goals and made us a joke of a team, followed by Selles who again promised "more vertical" football but again can't get us scoring goals. Clearly, the common factor in us not scoring goals is not the manager or the "style of play", as mixing those up repeatedly has never fixed the problem. Walter was an idiot which compounded our problems putting us in this relegation battle, but the overarching issue of us never scoring enough goals is a long term one which needed real thinking by football people to solve. Rosenior and others who know what they're talking about should've been listened to instead of being argued with about who to play by the owner who is nothing more than a passionate fan with wealth.

He faces the same decision again this summer, regardless of what happens next weekend. He can take the easy route of blaming the manager, make another sacking and bring in another sexy attacking manager who all the geeks will love the idea of, setting us off on the same path again of a slow summer, targets not established until the manager is appointed at the back end of June, everyone getting a head start on us and ultimately not signing anyone until late July. Or he could have some balls and stick with his decision for once, understand that he has an intelligent football man at the club and listen to everything he says about what the club should be doing and who we should be signing, accept that he is not an expert in the merits of players or in recruitment and let Selles and his team pick who they want without any external interference.

 

Yes my dad was on Trawlers a lot of the family were.

 

I think plenty had valid reasons to moan about it. I for one think that style is ****ing **** and terrible for the spectator. Would I have sacked him for it? Absolutely not.

 

Sort of agree, but I think this 'interference' is vastly overplayed. In fact, weren't many on here saying the problem was the opposite in summer, that Acun left it to Tan, the brains team, Walter to crack on? They can't have it both ways. It's a pity that as it turns out he unfortunately left it to the wrong people (for which yes, he's ultimately responsible, I get that). Of course, I've just got my tongue up his arse like ... allegedly.

 

Take it out then,personnally I would not admit that freely like you have but I applaud your honesty.

 

The club have finally shut up on social media anyway. No posts for 18 hours now.

 

Brady is that you

 

It doesn’t matter if Bristol City win today or not. The division we play in next season is entirely in our hands, we win we are guaranteed to stay up.

 

Take a walk through Barnoon Cemetery in St Ives, I’m afraid there’s are a lot of sailors there from Captain down to the boiler room crews. Also a good few life boat men too. It’s not just Hull.

Edit… there is even a guy from the Titanic.

 

Going to St Ives soon will check in tvout
was in Berlin yesterday went to Topgraphy of Terror puts things in perspective

 

Think you’ve simplified things there and chosen to hearsay playing players the owner wanted .
He listened to Rosie and didn’t swap Allsopp for Pandur who is way stronger .
He gave Rosie a forward line and midfield that 3 games out of 4 failed to take by the scruff of the neck and struggled through games. I would agree that Rosie or a tried and test Champ manager would not have us in this position but I’m pretty sure we still wouldn’t be making the playoffs , without even more investment .
I think there is something dodgy however with Sinik.
Maybe Tan was not dodgy so went for other reasons that could come out in the summer .
Others on here seem to have some ideas - but please all , not rumours and guesses they just stir it up .

 

You’re right they can’t beat them today. As they play tomorrow

 

I think the interference in this scenario more comes with Acun constantly taking a different course of how he wants to play things over his ownership.

Until Summer 2023 - we were scattergun. Hiring an unknown manager and signing players based on reputation and abilities in leagues that weren't that compatible with the Championship.

I don't think its a coincidence that our best transfer window arguably came along when we had a manager that stabilised the team - and we had a bit of continuity during the off season in 2023. We signed some duds then, as we have every window - but the ones that came in that window on the whole had a positive impact on the following season.

January 2024 and we chucked money at it at the wrong time. Plenty were saying that at the time and its still a little unclear as to whether that influence was the manager or the owner/recruitment team. Regardless - it backfired.

Since then we've lurched between two managers that are unknown quantities in the league and the transfers have become fairly scattergun again - with no real coherent plan as to how we move forward other than trying to save the season in this January transfer window.

I don't think its a coincidence that the clubs without parachute payments that do well in the league are usually ones that play a long term game when it comes to how they move forward. Its something we've lacked throughout Acun's tenure and that can only come down to his interference in the club and how he wants to run it or who he's listening to. Either way - the buck stops with him and I'd rather what ever happens at the end of this season we try and salvage some form of continuity.

 

It's called team work and especially with the strikers who need to bounce of each other and know where they are going to be.
Not much evidence of that..As previously posted by someone..A team of strangers...