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WAR! What is it good for?

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  1. Saf

    Saf Not606 Godfather+NOT606 Poster of the year 2023

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    I don’t think the hostages are important to Israel in all of this. They aren’t making a difference in their decision making and I truly believe that.

    I’m with you in all seriousness, though. Whatever it takes to bring about peace and let civilians on both sides just get on with their lives is what’s needed.

    I don’t care if they carry on killing each other, though. Too far away to genuinely give a ****.
     
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  2. PINKIE

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    If Hamas do relinquish governance of Gaza to the PA, then it puts the ball firmly in Netanyahu's court to work with the PA (and presumably international mediators like Egypt, Qatar, the US ?) to work towards a lasting peace, and towards a two state solution.

    Hamas have always framed themselves as a resistance force, that only exists because of the occupation.

    Netanyahu, despite saying he would not envisage a future for Gaza with the PA in charge, could and should come under massive international pressure to work with them (even though they need massive reform and to get rid of Abbas)

    If he cannot work with a peaceful and legitimate Palestinian government, then he has no excuses as to why another armed resistance group would emerge and continue the conflict with Israel.
     
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  3. PINKIE

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    I don't think Netanyahu gives a **** about the hostages, no more than it gives him leverage to pummel Gaza.

    I just want him and Hamas gone, and let people who actually want peace to be given the chance.
     
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  4. FosseFilberto

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    Amen
     
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    It's a good question and my answer is that's not how it works.

    If there is a god there is one God, but not a god that defines itself by a religion, but the creator of everything. Spirituality (or whatever people prefer to call it) is a connection to that creator, what I often call 'fate,' that everything happens for a reason and all events are connected by some chain of events. I often think positivity will bring positive events, negativity will breed further negativity, which is why I hate the latter and remove negative things and negative people from my life...some may define that as a mental illness, but I can't change what I believe.

    I don't feel I have to go to church to believe in god, generally the Anglican church does not offer a welcome that I'm comfortable within, so I often look to other faiths and the welcome they offer or it could just be structural and artisitic admiration such as a Cathedral (solace was the word I was looking for!)...I could go on for ages lol. We are here to learn and be educated, the lessons are in the mistakes we make, have made or the good that people bring. God or gods will not step in, we have to learn for ourselves, and learn from the mistakes or the errors of our ways.

    Fate will decide the outcomes and any repercussions for past events such as war.

    We are not going to be around in a several billion years, well a couple of million at best really, so god does not have to do anything, nature will deal with us itself. Earth is self healing, if not the universe will compensate the void by whatever comes next. God is not here to mirror humans, we are just microscopic if even that, in fact we are just an event and a very short one at that. I like learning, especially as I get older and our time gets nearer the end - but why learn if we are going to die I hear myself ask, life is about following a practical path, it's what you make it, what decisions you make and the ones still to be made.

    Sadly no God is going to rescue us, the selfishness of humanity is not going to help it either. Funnily I've been watching the events of the Pope at rest and people walking pass to pay respects, but what do i see but a sea of smart phones capturing the events, why not just use your eyes and memory that nature has given us, we really are ****ed as a species.

    Believe what you want to believe, but do it in a state of harmony not my god is better than your god, that's how we become united as one.

    TLDR :bandit:
     
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  6. brb

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  7. Saf

    Saf Not606 Godfather+NOT606 Poster of the year 2023

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    Interesting.

    I wonder if this guy (god) only had one job and that was to create the universe. He could be looking down now thinking what’s all this god **** you morons, I’m just a guy who gets to stay around forever because I created the place.

    I’m absolutely with you on the positivity and negativity aspects. I done a lot of that just before covid years. I realised that because I’m not as mentally strong as most people, I get dragged down very quickly when I’m around negative people but flourish when I’m around positive people. That’s also probably an age thing that I’ve picked up with experience of what was happening when I was going through good and bad times in my life.

    I basically read everything you wrote as, there is no god, take responsibility for your own actions and how your life pans out you little ****ers <laugh>
     
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    Your first paragraph absolutely cracked me up, so funny, but yeah that's exactly it in a nutshell! <laugh>

    and negative people, just get rid.

    Great summary that last line Saf. <ok>
     
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    How that supposed to happen when all the Hamas kids are programmed to jihad anyone not Muslim?

    Same for the isreali kids, programmed for death.

    The only way any peace is gained is if one of or both people's are wiped off the face of the Earth imo.

    Then stick a golf resort there
     
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    You should write to Donald Dick with your suggestion ... nuke Gaza, Israel and the West Bank ... problem solved <laugh>
     
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    Or just let one wipe the the other out.

    I'm good with whatever tbh
     
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    I'm not at all supportive of what Putin's been doing, but something I can't recall ever being discussed in our media is just how bloody complicated Crimea is and always has been as a region.

    Functioned nominally as an autonomous republic with integrity to Ukrainian sovereignty from 1992, then in 1997 Ukraine ditched the Crimean constitution and integrated it further, and barely 17 years later Russia invaded, claiming to represent the interests of 54% of its population, who are ethnic Russians.
     
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    I think Trumps use of words is completely wrong, but I feel it's also somewhat naive to think that Putin is going to give up Crimea, it's just not going to happen.

    Meanwhile:

    This is just going to end up a bloody massacre for both sides, if someone does not step back...

    17th April
    https://english.nv.ua/russian-war/6...umy-putting-pressure-on-ukraine-50507287.html

    23rd April
    https://kyivindependent.com/russia-...sk-border-as-ukraine-holds-line-syrskyi-says/
     
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    I sometimes feel, people just show **** because it;s Trump saying something, there is no wider thought process about it. Trump's an idiot, I get it, but while people are happy to keep on about the killings in Gaza, they appear happy for the killings on the frontline of Ukraine if Zelenskyy does not want to step back, madness, complete and utter ****ing madness. Keep fighting bro's, ignore Trump, go die for your country.
     
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    Saf Not606 Godfather+NOT606 Poster of the year 2023

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    It looks like the Palestinians have had enough of the people that are responsible for all of the death and destruction. They confirm that Hamas takeover civilian homes to launch rockets at Israel. That explains why Israel will target civilian homes.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c175z14r8pro
     
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    I think Crimea needs to return to an autonomous state, a bit like Greenland is with Denmark, but with some kind of joint Russian/Ukranian governance. I know that probably feels like a pie in the sky wish at the moment, but it's something that could be put on the table for peace negotiations.

    Zelenskyy can say it's part of Ukrainian territory, but Russia are currently in charge there, and like you say over half of the population are ethnic Russian. So there has to be some compromise there. Strategically it's important to both given it's Black Sea geography and trade and naval access.

    Endlessly fighting over it isn't going to resolve anything.
     
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    The sooner Hamas are gone the better. But trying to bomb them into submission is futile as another armed resistance group will soon take their place.

    Israel need to get on board with a ceasefire deal that will see the PA take over the governance of Gaza.
     
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    Crimea is gone - the grown up thing to do would be to let its people have a referendum (overseen by the UN) to decide to be part of Russia, Ukraine or independent of both... unfortunately nationalism (and egos) will likely never allow that...
     
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