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WAR! What is it good for?

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  1. brb

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    It's the same over Ukraine and Russia...Putin is an evil man he must be stopped...righto, probably don't disagree, but exactly who is going to be doing the stopping. Well Zelenskyy says his people will fight...oh right....do the mums of the kids that will be fighting know this...well Putin is going to be sending his kids...oh that's ok then....we fought a war over this...oh did we, who is this we, any of us alive today, will 'we' be going to the front line or will we be sending someone elses kids and we'll just talk war behind a keyboard...obviously we make sure everyone wears bodycams to make sure no war crimes are commited...and we'll give the medics reflective jackets and flashing nights, that will protect them from the Russian mean machine. The world is an utter joke at the moment....oh and guess what, we nearly forgot to mention Sudan, but they don't matter because they are black people, and they are use to famine, so there'll be fine, afterall it's only a civil war, no biggy, nothing to see here, like all the foreign weapon imports, no sireeeee.
     
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  3. brb

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    Tell yer what mate, if I aint bottom of your league you are getting banned. <laugh>
     
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  4. FosseFilberto

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    OK Captain Mainwaring ...

    ... but in reality, I'm a bit of a historian and have always had a keen interest in conflicts, battles and, indeed, the atrocities of warfare ...

    I haven't sought to justify anything - I'm in the opposite camp on that - whoever the perpetrators are, wherever they are, they need to be made accountable for 'potential' war crimes ...
     
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  5. brb

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    I agree everyone should be accountable for war crimes, absolutely everyone and I make no individual who has part in this war or the supply of the weapons that cause the atrocities exempt - sadly that's for another day at the mo (and all other wars).

    If you commited a war crime or supplied the weapons for the war crime to be commited you are equally guilty and should stand before a court. And to clear any doubt, that includes Netanyahu, Biden, Trump and any part the British have played in it as well as opposing factions.

    Hopefully they can make it easy for everyone by them just popping a cyanide pill, because a court don't really hold justice to the crime in a situation like this, as we've found in the past, they could have saved a lot of time and trouble if they popped the pill sooner (vial - Slobodan Praljak).

    It still will not solve the general problem with humanity either, because we will just give birth to the next generation of lunatics and go 'full circle' again...or as the man himself would say...

    I know that we shall meet problems along the way, but I'd far rather see for myself what's going on in the world outside, than rely on newspapers, television, politicians and religious leaders to tell me what I should be thinking.
     
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  6. brb

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    Sorry did lots of edits for spelling and bits I missed or didn't make clear.
     
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  7. PINKIE

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    The mobile phone footage starts in this instance when the other ambulances are pulling up towards the one that's been fired on, and you can see it just off the road stopped in the sand.

    You can hear the medics asking each other what's happened and saying they hope everybody is okay. He's started filming presumably to record what's just occurred. It's then that his own Ambulance comes under attack, and you hear him praying to God as he presumably knows he's going to be killed.

    There's a case for the Red Crescent to wear body cams, I'm guessing that resources are stretched and medical supplies are a priority.

    There's probably more of a case for the IDF to wear body cams, so that their actions can be scrutinised, but seeing as they ban journalists from Gaza, I'm guessing the last thing they want is for any of their actions to be recorded on camera.
     
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    Can't argue with any of that, Boss ... <ok>
     
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  9. PINKIE

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    The arms manufacturers have a lot to answer for imo. And the various bodies that govern who and where they can be sold, as much of it just seems to flout what is agreed upon.

    The UK sells arms to all sorts of people with terrible human rights records and UK manufactured arms end up in conflicts where they should never be used.

    The same goes for the US, France, Germany etc.

    And it's no coincidence that the CEOs of BAE systems, Lockheed and Northrop in the US have massive lobbying power with their respective govts.
     
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  10. brb

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    Journalists being banned don't help situations, especially when I've mentioned before we can get journalists into Sudan and severely beaten up but they still do their job and their lives were at risk at all times. Also another example would be the journalists that have been sentenced in Russia for over 5 years prison each for doing their job, which was to the distaste of Mr Putin. Another journalist that springs to mind (I forget his name) but he was attacked/shot while out reporting and although he survived ended up confined to a wheelchair. I also saw SKY journalists run into an ambush and come under fire in Ukraine, how the **** the male reporter got out of that alive is beyond me. It's their job, let them do it.
     
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    The same applies in Sudan.
     
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    Yeah it does.

    This is the problem with arms sales, they end up going into all sorts of shady networks. There should be much better oversight over it all.

    The arms being sold to Israel for example, were never meant to be used against a civilian population. The moment that started happening, the US should have pulled the plug on it all

    But we know there are other agendas at work here.
     
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    Israel don't want the world knowing what's happening in Gaza, which is precisely why they have banned journalists.

    They control all of the borders too with massive fences, surveillance and armed towers, so getting journalists in is probably more difficult that somewhere like Sudan.

    In this scenario, they can control the narrative and claim that hospitals, schools, refugee camps, mosques etc are 'Hamas control and command centres'
     
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    That's just your subjective opinion bro and another attempt to reflect your opinion on to me....it don't work bro, no matter how hard you try,
     
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    I would also question the narrative 'links to Hamas' too

    I read an article where a US citizen from India who years ago agreed to be part of an aid convoy in Palestine, and whilst he was there, met and eventually married the daughter of a former Hamas advisor and they both moved to the US

    I believe he's now been arrested in the US and is facing deportation.

    It makes you wonder, how many people in Palestine, who've had a chance meeting with a Hamas member, spoken to them, been asked to join them, knows somebody who knows a Hamas member etc... is then labelled as having 'links to Hamas' and then used as justification to carpet bomb a whole neighbourhood, killing dozens if not hundreds of people on the back of suspect Israeli 'intelligence' ?
     
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  16. brb

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    The problem you have is as soon as you pull the plug on weapons, you leave Israel open to hostile intentions, now you might not care about Israel but I do and I've already heard with my own ears what a Hamas leader said in regards to Israel - virtually while they exist there can be no peace. So you need to take the fairy stories out of your head mate or hate, because you are deluding yourself.
     
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    Okay, why do you think Israel have banned Journalists from Gaza ?

    Genuine question mate.
     
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  18. brb

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    Anyway I'm done because Piskie is off going round in circles again trying to spread his narratives.
     
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    Well, seeing as you mention subjective opinions, I'd say that's one of yours. I do care about Israel and I do care about them being able to protect themselves.

    I also recognise that without weapons, they are vulnerable to attack from various factions.

    What I don't agree with is them using heavy armaments to pummel a civilian population, especially in a region that they are illegally occupying.
     
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    i.e. you have no answer

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