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Discussion in 'Tottenham Hotspur' started by remembercolinlee, Feb 1, 2017.

  1. humanbeingincroydon

    humanbeingincroydon Well-Known Member

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    This afternoon will mainly be spent watching the Mousers' meltdown at TAA ditching them for the princely sum of £0.00
     
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  2. KingHotspur

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    I’m not and never been his biggest fan but the club selling Romero and replacing him with a youngster or Danso is another backwards step for me.
     
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  3. humanbeingincroydon

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    Worth noting that Relevo are seen as a **** source for La Liga who get stories right by accident more than anything else

    And that's before I find that 50ft pole that I use to touch Spurs Express with...
     
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  4. monty987

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    is it true Spurs would pay £37m for Chris rigg ? he is a good player but needs a couple of more seasons to develope we have Le Fee, Mayenda, Mundle, Bellingham, Roberts so would take £20m to be realistic now
     
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  5. humanbeingincroydon

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    There's rumours, but so far nobody credible has mentioned him yet

    Probably seen as a backup plan in case Tyler Dibling gets priced out of our range, though if we get it done quickly enough (stop laughing at the back) he could also help our CG numbers going forward
     
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  6. KingHotspur

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    The club needs ready made experienced players. Spanking a substantial amount on another promising youngster with no PL experience isn’t the right way to go imo.

    Dibling would be a good signing, Rigg would be a big risk.
     
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    We've just planted a £100mill price tag on Dibling. <diva>

     
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    Scummers having a giraffe. Wanting money to substitute for their own inadequacies.

    Forget him at half that price.
     
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  9. humanbeingincroydon

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    What if we told you that Alfie Whiteman is worth £85m?
     
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  10. KingHotspur

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    That’s Spurs out the running and rightly so at that price.

    City might be desperate in the summer though so don’t discount them paying silly money for him
     
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  11. tomw24

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    TBH I don't see us getting 100mill for him but I do think we should be saying to teams don't bother bidding under 60. The money earned through promotion is worth turning down substantial offers for him.
     
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  12. KingHotspur

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    Depends how much he wants to leave. He’s young so might not mind spending a season in the championship. If he’s desperate to leave then £60million would be a good fee for the club.
     
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    Whiteman is out of contract in a few months. He will be leaving Spurs
     
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    Shhh, we'll never Tommy Forecast them if you mention that!
     
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    Thanks for the details. Im not rewriting anything. You are proving my exact point.

    I distinctly remember getting battered with those two in a pivot. Until the balance changed in the midfield, with new signings, we were similarly hollow in the middle, just as we are now. Who else played in the pivot before Palacios came in? Palacios was one of the first signings that made the difference in the middle.

    With Redknapp, that change happened relatively quickly in comparison to Ange where we have done the opposite. Gotten rid of Skipp and Hojljberg and not replaced them with similar, or improved, guile in the middle of the park. Not saying they should have been kept, but expecting any team to function well with pure flair players and/or kids in the middle is a recipe for disaster win the PL, regardless of manager. Hence why Harry made the Palacios singing, quickly.

    Of course there were many games where Kranjcar and Modric played together, but Harry did his best to avoid the pivot of the two of the for the very reason I'm describing here. I imagine it was a last resort as the squad was weak in that area, they were both deployed more so as wingers if I remember, until Modric bulked up. Hence Palacios and Parker, both with Premier experience, and Sandro as you rightfully said. Who is Ange's CM equivalent? Gray? One player. A teenager. New to the league.

    ..and we've only just seen him play in midfield. After how long in comparison?

    That is my point. We are now playing with the equivalent of Modric and Krancar in midfield. Every week. I'm not sure what has happened to Bissouma, he seems to play like prime Palacios one week then worst of Zokora the next.

    We know Ange wants more in the middle, he hasn't got it yet. He was after Conor Gallagher, he was after Jacob Ramsey, both Premier league experienced players, who did he get instead?
     
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    Of course it's a backwards step. One of many more to be expected after we sold Kane.

    You need world class players to keep world class players.
     
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    You really think he's worth £60m minimum? A promising talent in a truly terrible team, possibly the worst in PL history?

    The game's gone.
     
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    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    I’ve literally proven the exact opposite of your point. With respect, you were simply wrong.

    There was never a period where Spurs got - as you put - “battered regularly” with a pivot of Modric and Kranjcar. So you didn’t remember it, you essentially made it up. The reason I initially sought the data was because I definitely didn’t remember many games where the two Croats played in CM together. And then as far as the data shows, there was one game with them in the pivot that we lost badly and they only played the first 45 mins together in that too, so that is in no way an example of being regularly battered.

    Kranjcar also joined half a season after Palacios, with Palacios arriving halfway through 08/09 and Kranjcar at the start of 09/10. So as to who was in the pivot before Palacios, it definitely wasn’t Kranjcar that’s for sure. It would’ve been between the likes of Jenas, Huddlestone, Zokora, Modric and O’Hara.

    Our midfield situation right now is being exacerbated by what I believe to be poor coaching and tactics. And it’s not just the midfield either, looking across the whole squad there are more players regressing and underperforming than there are positively contributing. This is why as I’ve said before I’ve refused to jump on the bandwagons to bash certain players because it’s one thing if one individual is sticking out poorly but when 75%+ of the team aren’t playing to their capabilities, that no longer becomes a player issue, it becomes a coaching and/ or tactical one. This squad is nowhere near as bad as performances and results suggest, hence why I referenced the AVB/ Tim to Poch transition where good players just needed a proper coach to get them playing to their full capabilities.
     
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  19. tomw24

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    To us, yes. Probably not to other teams. We're under no financial pressure to sell even when we go down. Of course there's the risk he or his dad (who's his agent) will kick off but they're probably also aware they may be in a better position next summer when he only has a year left on his contract.

    Yes we're a terrible team, but I think he's a bit more than promising TBH. Stick Dibling into the Arsenal team and I reckon he'd be putting up similar stats as Nwaneri. On the surface his stats are poor but given how many teams are scouting him they are looking past that and looking at his ability and potential.
     
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    I'm not sure he has yet,
    You are mistaken sir.

    You need to read my post again. I didn't make up anything.

    You're putting words into my mouth in a weird way. The arguing over who came in before whom is also irrelevant to the point.

    Around the time Redknapp played Krancar and Modric in a pivot we were getting battered regularly. Especially by particular teams. That was not the first time in that chapter.

    I didn't claim he played Krancar and Modric in a pivot regularly, he was sensible enough not to, nor did I claim that we got battered regularly specifically with Krancar and Modric as a midfield pair.

    I was recalling that era, that period. Did we get battered regularly, yes. Of course we did, else why make changes or additions to the midfield?

    Particular teams would score lots of goals against us.

    Did Redknapp play Krancar and Modric in a pivot at before we had adequate regular midfield reinforcements? YES.

    Whomever was in the pivot wasn't solid enough. Palacios wasn't available hence we were softer in the middle and often got bullied and battered.

    Huddlestone and Palacios were the CM pair of choice with Modric more often out wide if I recall correctly.

    If you wanna believe the midfield now is as solid and rigid as having Palacios, Modric and Sandro and Parker as options then I have nothing else to say to you. It was Redknapp following through on his desire to bring these kind of rugged players into the squad that helped balance the Spurs team in a way that helped us succeed.

    The current problem is partly to do with weakness in defence and midfield.

    If you wanna ignore the fact we've been playing a teenager new to the league and out of position as a CB, when he is arguably the most promising CM we've signed under Ange, that is also your business. (I remind you that Redknapp eventually had Gallas as CB cover in the squad.)

    Expecting Gray to play at top PL levels our of position for an extended period of time is insanity. It's a gaffer tape solution, again.

    If you also wanna kid yourself into believing that Davies can play as well as prime Ledley King in CB then that's your choice too. [The way Sess twisted him up for his goal should be clear evidence that he is not the defender you claim he is.] Where did this idea that he's up there with the best CBs come from? Temporary semi-reliable stop gap? Yes. Top 4-6 level CB? No.

    Real Madrid are not coming in for Davies as a CB. Neither are any of the top 10 teams.

    I won't be ignoring these details just so I can solely blame the manager or the coaching. You do you.

    The players are good but they need more experienced help and balance. Ange has said this. Redknapp would say the same if you asked him. It's obvious to most, except to you.

    If, or when, a new manager comes, these areas will be the first things that he corrects, along with getting reliable cover for Solanke as striker.

    I'm not saying the coaching is perfect, but this assumption that the players are much better than our position suggests, and that Ange's coaching is the clearest most obvious issue, is strange to me.

    It's all about the spine of the team, from goalkeeper all the way through to the striker. Harry Redknapp himself would tell you it's about the players before tactics.
     
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