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Discussion in 'Southampton' started by ChilcoSaint, Feb 23, 2016.

  1. Le Tissier's Laces

    Le Tissier's Laces Well-Known Member

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    Quite enjoyed the senator questioning where Canada was in the threat assessment with regard to Fentanyl. Tulsi Gabbard really squirmed trying to answer that without saying "yeah, Trump's talking out of his arse there, soz".
     
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    She also really squirmed when asked why, for the first time in 13 years, the impact of climate change was left out.
     
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  3. Ian Thumwood

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    I have mixed feelings about this enquiry. My take is that it is too partisan to be credible....

    1. The information leak published probably was classified but i cannot see how it could have compromised the American services.

    2. It appears likely that The Atlantic has refrained from publishing more sensitive stuff.

    3. It seems irresponsible to not use official channels. Really poor lack of judgement .

    4. Human error letting journalist into the group. I do not have an issue with doing that. The individual who sent the invite should not be singled out as i think the whole group have demonstrated their unsuitability for office. They all need to be binned

    5. Not sure this enquiry should be questioning current US foriegn policy. The Americans voted for America First and they have to lay in the bed they made. However, i think it shows up Trump to the voters.

    6. If anything the anti Europe statements will win favour with Trump supporters. I agree about Vance's comments about the Suez which caused a major rift between Uk and France v US in 1956. It is not an unfaie statement until you realise that Israel is a big beneficiary. However, he totally wrong about everything else. I was shocked by the comments.

    7. The leak deminstrates why Europe needs to break links with the current US administration.
     
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    One of the key elements here is that they were using a messaging app that they had been briefed was not secure, on their personal phones which they have been repeatedly told are likely to have been hacked by China and Russia.
     
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    I hope it’s too far fetched but it does sound plausible
     
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    I’ve not seen it but if it gives details as alleged about the date and time of the attack, the locations, type of aircraft’s, qty’s and type of weapons. that potentially endangers the personnel involved. You can argue that they probably don’t have capable weapons but remember a US F117 Nighthawk stealth bomber was shot down in an attack on Serbia by an old SAM missile system which shouldn’t have been a threat. Except the Americans kept using the same flight path into Serbia. The Serbians knew this and just needed to wait. If you give your enemies the plan of course it’s more dangerous than keeping stum
     
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  7. Ian Thumwood

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    The published info is on the BBC. This stuff is generic and would be of very limited value. The stuff not published might be more serious but , from what we know, more damage was done to the credibility of this group than to US intelligence. They just come across as idiots.
     
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    Well, yeah, but that was when Os disagreed with Reddit users
     
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    It was me quoting it so you tend to remember these things
     
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  12. Ian Thumwood

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    The Trump press conference was fascinating but am inclined to agree it is trivial.....especially in comparison the boxes of classified info in The Orange One's garage.

    The biggest outcome of this will be to galvanise the Democrats.
     
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    I can’t agree. This is America’s top INTELLIGENCE people not doing the basics of intelligence properly.
     
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    If it had been Hillary Clinton the Trumpers would be calling for her head, literally.
     
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    US Intelligence is currently something of an oxymoron
     
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    I agree they did not do the basics but there was no detrimental outcome. They just made themselves look like idiots. Trump's garage was far more risky.

    The whole lot are incompetent but i reckon there will be far worse to come. They are like the Keystone Cops.
     
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    Without beIng alarmist , I can see Clinton being pursued by Trump through the courts. I bet they attempt to get atleast one Democrat tried for treason.
     
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    Anybody can pick isolated examples and make that appear to be the norm when it isn't. The same way that some one knows a migrant who doesn't pay tax and by association done of them do. Its crap
     
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    So you think its OK for Hesgeth and Vance to have a go again at their closest allies.
    More shipping to Europe might go through the Suez canal than ships going to USA, but the Houthi's are mainly targeting ships that are Israelis registered or are carrying trade to Israel or from Israel. Vance and Hesgeth are talking bollocks
     
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