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Match Day Thread Real Sociedad v United

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  1. Diego

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    <laugh> <ok>
     
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  2. cytrax

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    Of course you do! But if you’re somehow not getting paid for whatever you think know about the team to really impact the outcomes, then what you think you know is an inconsequential opinion which is as good as everyone else’s fart.

    Ergo, enough with your self validation bs already!
     
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  3. Chief

    Chief Northern Simpleton
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    The fact I'm not being paid is completely irrelevant.

    I've lived in the area and supported United for nearly fifty years.

    That is what's relevant.

    You can spaff on about stats and such ****e as much as you like, no one gives a **** mate.
     
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  4. cytrax

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    Like I said, Chief, where you live is completely fkin irrelevant nor does it elevate your points any more than others. You are effectively in the dark as much as the rest of us.

    Let’s just enjoy the forum for what it is and cut out the ideologue nonsense. If you have an opinion, state it! But don’t come here with your bs attitude about how much you know about the football club because you live in the dressing room.
     
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  5. Chief

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    I'm not in the dark though.

    I know the problems at that club.

    I know the Glazers have nearly bankrupted us, I know that INEOS are (clumsily) trying to sort fifteen years of mismanagement and decay out, I know that none of this is Amorims 'fault', I know that Amorim is attempting, under duress, to build a new style of play with players left behind by the previous managers, who also were not at fault for all this.

    I know it will take more than three months.

    I know we have a bunch of players pretending to be injured and seeing out contracts.

    I know we're not winning the league, qualifying for Europe, or getting relagated, so going back to a formation the players are supposedly better at solves nothing. We have to look forward, not revert back.

    Really, everyone should know this.

    And every actual United supporter should definitely know this.

    Not in the dark at all mate, it's right there in front of us.
     
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    Perhaps Amorim might have been the right man - but in a different time. Its clear to everyone that this current squad simply cannot play his preferred style and one pre-season isn't going to change that. To capitalise on Amorim's style of play we need half a dozen new players - and guess what, we don't have the money and so it will go on. One or two new players, never enough to make a decent impact, and we will be chasing the Amorim style for years, but never quite getting there.
     
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    There will be money to spend though.

    Eriksen and Lindelof will be off the books.

    Sancho will be sold, possibly Antony, probably money in from Mason Greenwood being sold. Rashford also likely to be fibally off the books.

    All the culling and cutting of costs is to allow for purchases to be made in summer.

    It's unfortunate that a new goalkeeper is now on the required list, but if Onana can be sold to fund this then all good.

    We need a striker, right wing back and a replacement center mid for, ultimately, Casemiro otherwise.

    That's all.
     
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  8. cytrax

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    Haven’t you posted that before? Doing paper analyses of which players to get rid and which positions to buy for to solve the problem. Look through the squad, Chief, most of the players are relatively new from the last two-three years. Meaning we have spent tons on that squad.

    Given the players can’t play to the current system, their values have also declined massively.

    And on the notion that the club has money… the club is running negative 21% profit margin from all the insane transfers while still owing almost £500m in transfer fees to clubs. The club is practically broke! I’m not sure why fans keep thinking there is money somewhere. There is a huge financial burden hanging over the club but many still live in la-la land.
     
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  9. Chief

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    Yeah, I know.

    We're have a half billion in debt due to the leveraged purchase of the club, this is still there.

    They've paid one billion in interest alone, the debt itself remains.

    But I thought this was all structured, right? You said this yourself, about four pages back.
     
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  10. Chief

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    Anyway, it is a fact that Eriksen, Evans, Lindelof and Sancho (Chelsea foolishly have an obligation to buy) will leave.

    I would assume, and I accept this is not fact, one of Rashford or Antony will also leave permanently. Maybe both, who knows?

    We can't do anything with Shaw or Mount at the moment, they are 'injured'.

    So, he works with the rest of the squad. And they adapt.

    In defence, we will have de Ligt, Yoro, Mazaroui, Heaven, Maguire and Martinez. We don't need to sign anyone.

    In midfield, we will have Ugarte, Mainoo, Collyer, Fernandes and Casemiro. I'd say we need a long term Casemiro replacement.

    So, 1 signing.

    At wing back we have Dorgu and Dalot and Mazaroui. We need a right sided one.
    Dalot would then become back up for both sides. There are also academy players to dip into.

    So, signing 2.

    Wide forwards; Amad, Garnacho, Bruno, Zirkzee, Mount if fit, maybe a returning Antony. No signing required.

    Striking options, Hojlund and Chido.

    Signing No.3 definitely required here.

    Unfortunately, we also need a keeper. I guess Onana has to be sold to accrue funds to do this, but he's just not up to scratch.

    We generate enough funds to be able to sign three or four players in the summer.
     
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    The leveraged purchase is structured, yes! That’s actually not our problem today. The problem is the £400m+ transfer fees that we owe. That comes right out of the OpEx which eats directly into how much we can keep spending.
     
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    That’s a reasonable path which involves still using what we have as the foundation. This is my concern that Amorim won’t be able to achieve much with such foundations. If he could, we would have seen that already.
     
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    What, structured as in it never ever gets paid off?

    They don't owe £400 million in transfers.

    The club debt is the legacy left by the Glazers, it's still there.

    How can that not be the problem? That's just rubbish. You're wrong.
     
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    So, what's your solution?

    Who solves this, and how? Same players, same problems, same debt, same ownership.

    I really don't get what you're wanting, nothing is ever right. What do you want? Instead of constantly ****ing moaning, gives us the plan.

    Do you honestly, really, genuinely think any manager at all could solve all this in three months?

    Really, for **** sake.
     
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  15. Diego

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    There was a reason Rubin wanted to come to us at the end of the season, that beng that he knew he would need 2 or 3 new players and a full pre-season to get the system through to the squad.
    We are now seeing the concequencies of trying to change on the fly with a squad that doesn't suit.

    I know you understand this and it isn't aimed at you but your post seemed the ideal one to quote because of the last line.
     
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    We owe £400m plus on yet to be paid transfer fees. Go look it up!
     
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    I like the interview with Ratcliffe today. I thought it was a pretty honest interview. He lays out precisely where the club. The mistakes in the last few years and those of last year which led to even worse year for us financially and on-field.

    He has full faith in Amorim, which I didn’t expect him to say otherwise. I want Amorim to succeed! I mean, why would I want anything else? But ‘wants’ and ‘reality’ are two different things. Essentially, Amorim will have to earn his own position. That’s not up to any of us. It doesn’t matter how much you love or dislike the manager, the results will sort it out. That’s just it!

    Overall, I’m pragmatic and if I were a betting man, the results since November are not what I would have expected when he came him. He has largely underserved all the expectations. So what could really go wrong from here? I guess you would expect this is the worst part of the story.
     
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    I’m with GF 100% on this… Amorim is a good manager based on his record, but for a complete different type of circumstance. The board not seeing that rigid system would not suit the set of players and EPL is a complete oversight and we should acknowledge that simple fact! United is effectively the only team in the league that plays 3 at the back. Go figure! Liverpool passed up on Amorim for that very same reason.

    Now, this is not to suggest he won’t come good. But he needs a blend of options that suit the players than asking for the players to fit his idealistic system. This is not the Portuguese league!
     
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    The three at the back is not fixed. We have three fixed defenders (CBs) and two wing backs so in practice when we are being attacked it's five at the back.
    The wing backs just help to supliment the attack and midfield dependant on the phase of the game.

    It actually gives you a bit more security in defence because when you are pushing forward the three CBs can cover much more of the field than two could if the oppo break on you.
     
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    We have consistently played 3 at the back. For whatever reason we do it, it is completely mute because we consistently concede goals and we barely ever score enough. We are dull to watch and we play the worst kind of football we have seen in some time. Let’s get real with ourselves.
     
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