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Match Day Thread Tottenham Hotspur v AZ Alkmaar

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  1. PleaseNotPoll

    PleaseNotPoll Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    I know there were a lot on the ticket exchange for City, but it didn't look that way at the stadium.
    I don't think we're doing the ticket sales = attendance thing either, as the official number was 60,820.
    People can put their tickets up for sale and then attend if they don't get sold. I suspect that's the case.
    Numbers will almost certainly be down for Bournemouth, though. That performance guaranteed it.
     
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  2. Billy The Spur

    Billy The Spur Well-Known Member

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    You can have all the money in the world, but if you`ve got Daniel Levy, Donna Cullen etc making football decisions and failing to prioritize sporting success, then the football team will fail.
     
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  3. KingHotspur

    KingHotspur Well-Known Member

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    It’s more than injuries though. Even with a fresh squad I still there are massive issues with the owners, manager and players.
     
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  4. PowerSpurs

    PowerSpurs Well-Known Member

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    I think the outcomes of English football over the last 30 years can be 90% explained by who has the most money with the other 10% being due to random fluctuations in things like recruitment, injuries, etc. The data doesn't support fans concerns about all these other issues.
    ENIC are focused on improving the finances, which is exactly the right thing to do given the above.
    Just look at the data...the four richest teams win almost all the trophies, the fifth wins a few and every other club wins one very occasionally if at all.
     
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  5. Left on the Shelf

    Left on the Shelf Well-Known Member

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    I really hope he means it, but the fan video suggests otherwise. If I'd spent a fortune and used up holiday to go and support the team, only to be served up that ****, then I'd expect to be allowed to be critical....
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  6. KingHotspur

    KingHotspur Well-Known Member

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    I agree with some of that. But the club should still be doing better with many things. Just saying 6th is where they are financially so finishing on average 6th is good enough isn’t satisfactory to a lot of fans and ultimately that’s not what football is about.
     
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  7. KingHotspur

    KingHotspur Well-Known Member

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    Saw that. I know Im in the minority but I don’t like Vicario, annoyed me when he had a go at Bergvall earlier in the season but when ‘senior’ players make mistakes he doesn’t say a thing.
     
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  8. PowerSpurs

    PowerSpurs Well-Known Member

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    Football is about winning matches and therefore eventually trophies. If you are the 6th best financially you simply won't win enough matches to win trophies. The ONLY solution is to improve your financial position. Everything else is just wishful thinking.
     
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  9. KingHotspur

    KingHotspur Well-Known Member

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    I’m glad you agree that football is about winning.

    I agree increasing the financial position helps. But if you keep spending money on the wrong players and hiring the wrong managers, sporting directors etc then you will go backwards instead of forwards regardless of how big your budget is.
     
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  10. bigsmithy9

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    With the ex Liverpool manager selling his teeth in hotel adverts maybe the Spurs manager could start selling himself to the team!
     
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  11. PowerSpurs

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    As usual we are going round in circles. My thesis is that hiring the 'wrong' people is impossible in the medium term. There is no way of getting a lasting edge in hiring so you can't have a negative edge either. There will simply be a mixture of good signings and bad ones. If you think we can have an edge in recruitment while spending less than our competitors then please explain how this arises. How would we have an edge over other clubs who can afford to hire better people than us. If you believe that we have a negative edge because our owners are making poor recruitment decisions then the solution is simple...do the exact opposite of what they recommend. But that means we would have a long standing edge which is impossible. There are only two logical answers...1) Clubs with the most money have an edge in which case the only solution is to have more money. Or 2) no-one has an edge in which case the only solution is to have more money.
     
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  12. "Thanks for that Brian"

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    It's really not very difficult to see and understand...if you want to.

    Clubs like Brighton and Brentford recruit players and coaches to fit a constant stable playing style/philosophy and formation. They're constantly monitoring what's out there for them to replace departees. Players and coaches are a pretty perfect fit. This reduces the number of players who need to be bought and sold when you swing radically from playing 4 at the back, to 5 at the back...or having excellent WB/FBs, who can deliver pinpoint crosses, to inverted ones, etc., etc.

    This club, being COYS Daniel's market trading operation, we swing wildly from one to the other with not a care and gay abandon...to be told that it's bad luck or some kind of hex when results go into a tail spin, despite pissing away endless funds on a constantly high squad turnover.

    Your post is utter nonsense. The club is run in a lazy, outdated fashion. We desperately need new blood at the top...which you don't want.
     
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    humanbeingincroydon Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, those various finals and semi finals the club has played in have demonstrated just how disinterested they are in sporting success...
     
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  14. PowerSpurs

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    Brighton and Brentford have completely different objectives though. They are simply trying to survive in the PL and consider it a major success if they are in the top half. I've said before that if you are trying to sign the best of the bunch of average PL players and you are the first movers in data analysis then you are likely to have a small edge initially but that will soon go away because AI will be doing the analysis and everyone will be in the same boat. What we need to do is overtake richer clubs who can literally spend more money than us on everything.
    I actually think that what fans think about players suiting certain systems is the real nonsense. The reason that our players look bad from time to time is simply that they are worse than the ones Man City and Liverpool have because they cost less money. It is entirely contradictory to claim that we simultaneously have a negative edge in choosing players while mysteriously being able to end up with a group of players who suit Conte's system but not Ange's. We don't have a particularly high player turnover, nor do we have a particularly bad record on player trading. This is the first 'tail spin' for 17 years and it can be entirely explained by injuries.
    The only valid criticism of ENIC is that they have not grown the revenue faster. Everything else doesn't fit the data.
     
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  15. Left on the Shelf

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    Not any more. Both clubs now aspire to much greater things, certainly a European competition.
     
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  16. "Thanks for that Brian"

    "Thanks for that Brian" Well-Known Member

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    I am sure that those clubs don't put any ceiling on their futures. Their ethos is to scratch and claw at any and every advantage they can, to progress the club in every direction.

    PS's limited thinking is indicative of what's holding us back. COYS Daniel complained that Poch's success came 'too early'. WTF sort of thinking is that? It's utter bollocks. When the sun shines, it's time to make hay...not hold back and frown at the timing.

    Daniel has surrounded himself with 'Yes Men/Women' who have been there for years and years. We're utterly ****ed by their inertia and outdated management style. A complete clear out of these overly comfortable, no marks is required. Get in some new blood who are prepared to fight day and night to turn the club into contenders and maybe, even winners?

    The current board is a completely busted flush...as are we.
     
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  17. PowerSpurs

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    Of course they do. With 7 or 8 clubs qualifying for Europe anyone in the top 12 has a chance.

    But being in Europe is a major success for them whereas our fan base regards it as normal.
     
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  18. PowerSpurs

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    There still remains no other example of anyone getting a mid table club to serial CL contenders. Brighton and Brentford will not ever be in that position.
     
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  19. "Thanks for that Brian"

    "Thanks for that Brian" Well-Known Member

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    So what if they don't?

    Life is about giving it everything. Putting it all on the line, to try to be better than you were, better than you dreamed possible. Sport is the same...for some.

    I want the club to do EVERYTHING possible to improve, EVERYDAY. I don't particularly care who owns it, or runs it, so long as they are giving it everything to be winners.

    It's been years since we've seen anything approaching that. The club built the stadium and Levy put his feet up.

    HE HAS TO GO!
     
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  20. KingHotspur

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    Spot on.

    To dare is to do!!!
     
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