I understand the lad wanting to get his own back, but I've got a feeling that the restraint he showed at the time wasn't due to him not wanting to further upset his mother. More due to him not thinking he could take on 2 lads with his bare hands (which is understandable). I know you probably want to see the best in him because you know him and believe in what he was doing, but it doesn't strike me as particularly impressive I'm afraid. Especially as you don't mention whether both lads were there when he hospitalised one of them. Oh they were both there and so were a couple of others, and the lad knew there would be others including their fathers etc. The dad came out with a kitchen knife and another fella had a tyre whats it. Yes, there is such a thing as a fair fight. One on one, no weapons, about as close as you're going to get. As for the rest of what you've said here, I would've bet money that you'd come up with the 'do anything to protect myself' line. Even though I did embolden the bit that said "Unless you're fighting in self-defence (or physical protection of others)". I was kind of hoping you'd actually read that properly and respond with that in mind but wasn't really expecting you to. As I was at pains to stress, I was talking about a fight that was not in self-defence. I did read however I dont differentiate. You say you are big lad. i am not even 5 10. If we had the fight you suggest how is that 'fair'. The way I see it either walk away or win. I am not one for thinking well I will get battered but at least it will be fair. I also believe once a fight starts so does 'self defence' Although to be fair it depends what you see as 'self defence' . In the example I gave you it isnt self defence in the true sense, but if no one messes with your family again... Its like you using your size, its a form of self defence no? Surely a 'spark' would have to be something actually happening? As in a spark setting a fire off? If it's something silly like someone being big then spark is probably the wrong word. hence ''.
It also means lacking in care in selectivity If you read the thread you will see I have no issue with random victims the perp was following a pattern so his behaviour was not random his getting sparked stopped being random as soon as the big fella told him to let it go the abuse became the spark
Maybe things have got more violent on the streets of Britain since you embraced your religion and stopped going out drinking, but there is plenty of random, aimless, indiscriminate, arbitrary - whatever you want to call it - violence that happens.
Hmm. So he was outnumbered at least 5 to 1, with nothing other than a golf club, and one of THEM ended up in hospital? Who is this guy, Jason Bourne? Sorry Fan, but I think he's pulling your leg here TBH thereis no way of 'proving' it on here so either you take my word for it or dont. I know it happened. Sure it made the papers will look into it, although how much detail there will be if I find it I dont know Size doesn't matter, if you're prepared to enter into a fight with a big bloke, then so be it. He might be extremely strong and powerful, or he might just be slow. Not necessarily unfair as a result. For the record, when I was referring to self-defence, I meant when you're in immediate danger of being physically harmed unless you act. I think size does matter in terms of how I would react depending on the situation. Also it falls under the reasonable force element to me. I see self defence as being a little more personally, however if we take your definition I would still say that if sef defence meant using a weapon then so be it. In fact I would say that in your definition of self defence ALL is 'fair'. For the record one of the toughest guys I know is 5 6. I have never held the view that bigger means tougher. In fact I would go as far as to say that I 'worry' more about the small fellas. in my experience these guys are better 'scrappers' due to basically having more experience. I think big fellas are generally left alone due to size and not always the best fighters. Fighting for me is absed on how much of it you do. Obviously that is general and there are always exceptions to the rule. Not sure it would be admissable in court either Maybe things have got more violent on the streets of Britain since you embraced your religion and stopped going out drinking, but there is plenty of random, aimless, indiscriminate, arbitrary - whatever you want to call it - violence that happens. The perpeertrators and conditions have changed. EG more women and the getting lashed quickly culture etc. But the streets of Britain have always been violent. Even as far back as the 80's there were studies on it. Media and 24 hour news etc have made it more public Also interestingly the notion of 'random' is under greater discussion and the arguments seem to be leaning away from it. An example is car accidents. Now being referred to as car crashes. Simply because there is always a cause. whether drink or lack of attention etc As I have said there is nothing random in a bunch of lads/lasses 'knowing' they will get lashed and have a fight. The victim may be picked indiscriminately however the violence is anything but random
In my opinion that makes it a random attack. If it could just have easily been someone else, that's random for me.
I think the story of my Bengali friend who has had boyfriends was more plausible to be fair As I mentioned on that one of you was lying. However as I said its a forum and difficult to prove hence why you have been able to assert/say things. Also based on previous exchanges I feel you seem to have a 'grudge' towards ethnic minorities. If I remember our first one was about taking water into the toilet. You seemed to have reached conclusions. Incidentally it was your admittance of 'not knowing' that endeared me to you, otherwise its usual behaviour in my experience But I wasn't talking about self-defence, I was talking about an unnecessary fight. hmm.....Even though I did embolden the bit that said "Unless you're fighting in self-defence (or physical protection of others)". I was kind of hoping you'd actually read that properly and respond with that in mind but wasn't really expecting you to. Fan, is this your way of saying you think you're harder than me? I dont do the whole 'hard' bit, anything can happen on any given day. But if you really believe in your whole 'fair fight' philosophy then be afraid friend In my opinion that makes it a random attack. If it could just have easily been someone else, that's random for me. you would be wrong, bt entitled to your opinion. The only random bit there is choice of victim, which is not an issue as discussed
My other half could probably handle herself against one other female attacker but four is another thing. If that had been me out with the missus and four women started on her then there would have been four knocked out c*nts on the floor. The comments from the women on being let off should make the tosser of a judge resign, what an idiot. "Not use to being drunk"???? What the feck!!???
Someone called my ex an ugly boot once and i agreed with him. We broke up very soon afterwards - i still don't know why.
She may have been lying I suppose. As may your friend, but it sounds like you trust him so I'll take your word for it. But I certainly don't have a grudge against ethnic minorities! I had an Indian bloke at my wedding ffs, not really the behaviour of someone with prejudices, and I know it's a cliche, but I've had plenty of Asian friends over the years, Muslims, Hindus, Sikhs. The only conclusion I came to with the water is that I didn't like seeing half empty cups of water on the floor in toilet cubicles, when that water had obviously had someone's ****ty finger dipped in it! Not that unreasonable really, even some of the Muslim guys used to think it was very lazy to just leave them lying around too. Who knows, just doesnt sound right. As for the fella I refer to its not just what he told everyone. The cups in the loo is wrong IMO too, but there was more to it than that in that discussion and you conceded I seemed to know more about and left it that so kudos Isn't that what I said? TBH it seems you keep changing to suit, one minute its self defense you ar focussing on the next not I'd just sit on you Fan. I've gone back over 20 stone now so you'd have no chance! Seriously though, I haven't had a fight for 8 years. I had my cheekbone broken with nerve damage and it took me over 6 years to get rid of the numbness in that part of my face. Too old for that **** now, and I think it would break my daughter's heart if she saw me with my face like that again. Even worse if I ended up inside. fatso But what other factor is there? The perpetrator.
My point was that unless a fight is in self-defence, then it's just a competition really, a way to prove yourself. And what's the point in cheating (using a weapon) in such a situation? You're not proving anything. But obviously there's got to be a perp. Otherwise there would be no crime. From the aggressor's point of view, it's a random attack, he/she could attack absolutely anyone.
The aggressors act is not random, it is premeditated. The idea is to hit someone , anyone. Its like the car acccident to car crash analogy. The person causing it has done so by doing something wrong. The other party was indiscriminate
Oh **** sake, Fan. Take a rest. When "people" in the "real world" talk about random violence you've just described what they are talking about. Be pedantic about it all you want.
