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WAR! What is it good for?

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  1. Citizen Kane.

    Citizen Kane. Well-Known Member

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    A brief word on Palestinian refugees in Jordan:

    The refugee problem was created partly by the Arab refusal to accept the 1947 UN resolution 181 which brought the state of Israel into being. This refusal was understandable and should be sympathised with.

    What is less understandable and therefore less deserving of sympathy was the course of action chosen by Egypt, Jordan, Syria and Iraq - none of which had existed for more than a generation - in light of their refusal.

    Instead of seeking a diplomatic route, they chose a path of war and Israel's destruction. Despite an overwhelming numerical and military advantage, they lost.

    It is important to understand that these governments already had thousands of soldiers fighting in Palestine well before independence was formally declared. This is another common misnomer. Essentially: war was de facto declared before statehood was.

    Losing that conflict created a major refugee problem, as any defeat in conflict would.

    A second major cause was the complete lack of British intervention in the civil war leading up to the Partition date. Paramilitary groups on both sides killed and maimed with impunity. The British did nothing. They were desperate to just wash their hands of the Mandate. It is here that the Kingdom of Jordan enters the picture.

    Just two months before the declaration of independence, Britain came to an agreement with Jordan that the latter would absorb displaced Palestinian Arabs, in return for which it could annex lands earmarked for Palestinias, by and large what today is called the West Bank.

    Read that last sentence again.

    Jordan absorbed swathes of refugees because it believed that in return it would be able to expand its territory permanently.

    This was decided in a meeting between King Abdullah I, Ernest Bevin and Lt. Gen. Sir John Bagot. The Palestinian people were not consulted. The meeting happened without most Zionist leaders' awareness too (although I believe Golda Meir was in the loop). It isn't even clear whether the Arab League knew about it either.

    This meeting confirmed that both Britain and Jordan had no interest in seeing an independent Palestinian state come into existence.

    That territory is known as the 'West Bank' because that is the name Jordan gave it. I.e. The west bank of their major river in their sovereign territory. Israel knows it by its biblical name: Samaria/Shomron.

    Palestinian Arabs living there were given Jordanian citizenship and could vote in Jordanian elections until 1967. After Israel's defeat of Jordan in the six day war, many of these Palestinians resumed the status of 'refugees'. Jordan suddenly didn't want them anymore.

    Other refugees were created by the actions of various Israeli paramilitary groups such as Lehi and Haganah, many of which are well documented and have to be condemned in the strongest of terms as both cruel and short sighted.

    Why have I written this essay? If nothing else, to illustrate that the situation and history surrounding Palestinian refugees is both nuanced and deeply complicated, and that the problem was not just of Israel's making, but Jordan and this country also had a significant role in it too.

    Thank you for reading my essay.

    CK, age 5.
     
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  2. brb

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    TLDR lol


    I'm watching football mate, will read later.
     
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  3. Solid Air 2

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    If the british did nothing why did the Irgun plant a bomb at King David hotel that killed 91 and why was their a museum in haifa dedicated to the "freedom fighters" tortured by the british .
    Yes we were more than happy to gtf out and leave them to fight ir out
     
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  4. Citizen Kane.

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    The British killed thousands of people on both sides. They tried to enforce law and order with brute force and it backfired horribly, unsurprisingly.

    They also built concentration camps in Cyprus and Palestine and imprisoned tens of thousands of Jewish survivors of the Holocaust who had lost everything and had nowhere else to go.

    In short, the British did more than any other nation in history to permanently **** up the Middle East.
     
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  5. Citizen Kane.

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    Things are moving very quickly now.

    An emergency cabinet meeting voted to take Trump's weekend ultimatum and make it policy.

    As things stand, war will resume if all hostages are not returned by Saturday*.

    Hamas have absolutely snookered themselves. Again.


    *Some ITKs I'm in touch with suggest that in reality, Israel will relent if the gradual flow of returns resumes no later than Saturday.
     
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  6. Solid Air 2

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    A second major cause was the complete lack of British intervention in the civil war leading up to the Partition date. Paramilitary groups on both sides killed and maimed with impunity. The British did nothing. They were desperate to just wash their hands of the Mandate. It is here that the Kingdom of Jordan enters the picture.

    make your mind up ffs
     
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    Sorry, let me clarify:

    Complete lack of meaningful, sensible, balanced, forward-thinking, multilateral, internationally supported, diplomatically tested, sustained, consistent, proportionate and democratically mandated intervention.

    <ok>
     
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    <laugh>

    Sort him out Solid, take none of his shhite. :emoticon-0165-muscl
     
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    Just seen this CK...

     
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  10. Solid Air 2

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    apology accepted :emoticon-0112-wonde
     
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  11. Welshie

    Welshie Chavcunt fanboy dickhead

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    lol not going to happen
     
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    please log in to view this image
     
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    upload_2025-2-11_22-23-7.png

    <laugh><laugh><laugh>

    (Turns out the johnnies were intended for Mozambique, where there is an AIDs and STD crisis, but Elon Musk doesn't know the difference between there and Gaza)
     
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    Elon's a ****ing tit.
     
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    USAID is a miniscule part of the US budget and is much like getting rid of UK aid, a token gesture with absolutely no purpose behind it.
     
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    Trump can't possibly allow this ... nothing to do with humanitarian concerns ... more that there isn't even one ****ing golf course or casino in the proposal... the Egyptians need to sort their priorities out... they'll be suggesting hospitals, mosques, schools and all kind of **** next ... ****ing chancers...
     
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    <laugh>
     
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    Saf Not606 Godfather+NOT606 Poster of the year 2023

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    Murderers, attempted murderers, bomb makers, people who have placed bombs or thrown incendiary devices, people with links to terrorist organisations, amongst other crimes.

    Some of them will be political prisoners, though.
     
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    There’s an hilarious video of Trump giving a press conference saying that he’s stopped $50m worth of condoms going to Hamas. And that they were using them to make bombs <laugh>

    The bloke is a complete **** nugget

    You simply couldn’t make this **** up
     
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    Condom bombs <rofl>

     
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