Whatever The point was about Trump saying Palestinians would have no right to return on the very same day Hamas delayed the hostage release. And that is pouring fuel on the fire. Hamas are ****s, and so is Trump
Biden allowed it to go on for 15 months, I challenged you a few times on not calling Joe Biden out, but of course you like Joe and hate Trump. The narratives will be easier for you now with Trump in charge, and I can see they have been already for you, you didn't waste anytime on that.
I referred to him as Genocide Joe and right through the whole thing I'd been calling out the US for supplying Israel with the bombs https://not606.com/threads/election-2024.410777/page-411#post-18123421 You even liked the comment ffs
Fair play mate To be honest, I'm tired of this bickering. None of us on here want to see these people suffering and those who cause this ****, whether it's Hamas, the IDF, Trump, Biden, Netanyahu or any **** who's complicit in seeing Children being killed, innocent families being torn apart, people being taken from their homes, tortured and held hostage All of it is ****ing sick.
Yeah they’re both ****s but in this particular instance, it’s all on Hamas. Trump being a **** is irrelevant. If it kicks off again which it probably will then it’s all because of Hamas not releasing the hostages and undermining the ceasefire, just like everything that happened after October 7th was because of the terrorist attack from Hamas. When it comes to terrorists you have to be strong and talk the only language that they know. That’s what Trump has done.
I agree that that Hamas are ****s. They are claiming the IDF are shooting and shelling people trying to return home and withholding aid. If that's true the IDF are ****s too. I'm kind of done with this today mate as it's going round in circles and I've had enough of the bickering and name calling. As I said to brb, none of us want to see innocent people suffering like this, whether they are Palestinian, Israeli or whatever ****ing creed. All of it is sick and I hope the people responsible rot in hell.
My sincere apologies. I would have mentioned Treble too, but he seems to have left the forum/died/got sacked from his teaching position after his posts on this thread came to light.
In fairness to Ponks (and others like myself who have empathy for the innocent Palestinians that have been slaughtered / bombed out of house and home) - we've (universally) been critical about US involvement and culpability in that from the outset - and that's all been under Biden's watch... Trump is merely seeking his usual self-glorification / gratification on the back of it ... There is a distinct irony in somebody who refused his own country's 'call to arms' on 3 separate occasions preaching about bringing 'all hell' down in a conflict in the middle-east from the warmth and security of his sun bed ...
I don't personally feel that Joe Biden got anywhere near the level of criticism he deserved, but because Trump is a different kettle of fish, everyone will have a field day and mention him daily. Hence my example of Trump being accused of 'ethnic cleansing' by a SKY reporter, can you imagine the uproar if a journalist had said that about Biden, they would have been sacked! As for the sunbed, warmth and security for Trump, that was no different for Biden either, and that's where I'm seeing the difference in the narratives, and the difference being, thousands died on Biden's watch, absolute thousands. Trumps count to date is zero, other than blitzing a few caves in Yemen. So I'm sure Biden was also snug and warm, when thousands were being killed, I'm sure he also had a holiday during that time.....but it wasn't mentioned in the narratives on here.
Biden should have stepped down a couple of years ago, at least - he was clearly cognitively challenged ... although I doubt that would have changed US policy in the region ...
We probably need an age limit on being a world leader, although Angela Merkel managed it just fine - just googled her age now, it's 70, so maybe that needs to be the age limit.
With respect, because I don't want to get into a spat with you on any of this... But I think the specific notion that Trump would forcibly remove Palestinians from their territory, refuse them a right to return and hand over Sovereignty to Israel, breaks the Geneva convention and a whole host of international law, which amounts to ethnic cleansing. Biden for all of his complicity with enabling the suffering in Gaza, had always envisaged a Palestinian led governance with a view to Palestinian statehood. Which is why nobody would have levelled the same accusations at him. Although you could argue that supply the weapons, bombs and diplomatic immunity amounts to the same thing. That said, he and the US have been the co architects of this suffering and he is culpable. Like Fosse said, his cognitive ability was questionable during this time and he probably should have hung up his boots a long time ago. That doesn't negate the fact that he has blood on his hands.
Mahmoud Abbas is 89 and still clinging onto power. @Citizen Kane. is gonna slip him an extra dose of sleeping pills to finish him off I reckon But yeah I agree, with age can come wisdom, but for many of these world leaders it just seems to manifest as them becoming less and less capable of doing the job.
So let me think about this....Trump just talks **** and gets attacked...Biden was in office when thousands of people were killed on his watch, but Trump is the bad guy. I don't really care if you want to get in a spat with me over it, you are talking ****ing nonsense to suit your own bias politics. The post you quoted earlier of you saying you did call Biden, genocide Joe....I got curious, because I clicked the arrow on your comment to go to the post you quoted, it didn't work, I thought why was that, let's go look...you called him it because I challenged you over Biden yet again, once Trump was in power. I included a picture of a flattened Gaza...on Joe's watch. You did call Biden the name on another ocassion in 2024, but that was followed by excuses, that no one could reign Israel in. You are liar, you are deceitful and you will twist anything to play your narratives and you still make excuses for Genocide Joe even now. The mass killings happened on his watch, not Trumps. Maybe I should use the same narrative as you, it don't matter what Trump says or does....Israel will do what they want to do anyway!
Sometimes you come across the same as the Treble you mention, in fact I reckon if we changed the username and avatar to the same, no one would tell the difference, except one supports Israel cause the other Palastinians, are you twins by any chance?
Whatever mate. I’ve tried with you but you want to pursue your own personal agenda. So **** it. You crack on
Come off it. Treble openly celebrated Oct 7th and declared his unwavering support for what had happened and continued violent uprising. He took ages to even use the words 'terror attack' to describe what had happened and ironically only started doing so after you tore him to shreds on here.
I don't dispute what you say, it's not what I meant. You are both equally intelligent guys, your only difference is on how you both perceive life. Just because I don't agree with someone (Trebs) does not make them wrong, just because I agree with someone (CK) does not make them right. That is for God to decide, I just know virtually every statesman regardless of the side they are on are going to hell, for the loss of life.
