Finished 3rd in 1990 (there was no European football at the time for English clubs) and won the cup in 1991 finishing 10th. Barely won a game in the league between Xmas and the end of the season iirc. Club nearly went bankrupt. Tel did a great job.
I don’t know how we can be compared to 2 clubs who have won truck loads of trophies in the the last few decades tbh. If we had their success then no one would or could argue much against how we sack and hire, I certainly wouldn’t.
For a supporter of the club where promising coaches' reputations go to die, first with ten Hag and now with the rapidly-aging Ruben Amorim, are you really sure throwing stones around you glass house is a bright idea...?
They simply had a lot more money than us over that period. The clubs with the most money win things regularly, the others don't. It doesn't imply that they are well run or better coached.
Cup games are irrelevant? Last season is irrelevant? So you are judging him on this season's league matches alone. 24 matches is not enough to come to any conclusion.
The league table doesn’t lie. Finishing higher up the league ensures more prize money. Spurs need to finish strong.
Man Utd were the empire. They can do what they want with the funds they have, in an attempt to maintain that. Chelsky : Sugga Daddy FC. We don't take lectures from their ilk on how to run any aspect of a football club.
The league table is just a dataset so of course it doesn't lie. But interpreting data requires skill so those who don't have the right skill set can easily draw the wrong conclusions. Your last two points are both obvious and correct.
The league table does lie, but not in the way people think Take the 2015-16 season as the perfect example: the actual story is that so many clubs simultaneously shat the bed at once, because a top four not three of Liverpool and the pair of dysfunctional dumpster fires should be unthinkable but that's exactly what happened - yet that part of the story is overlooked because it's easier to print the legend of The Leicester City Fairytale™ as if they pipped one of the Manc clubs at the post on the final day of the season than the reality ...which is also why Bottlers fans overcompensate (even by their usual standards...) about the reality that they came second in a 0 horse race that season
The league table doesn't lie, I agree. Goal difference however, I believe, is an also a good indicator of where the team should actually be in the league..
@PowerSpurs also says that. I’m not so sure. You can win 4-0 one game and then lose the next 3 by a goal. Spurs win big but lose small. Goal difference looks good but it doesn’t translate to points.
Obviously it doesn't translate into points. Duh! The goal difference sticks out like a sore thumb amongst the teams around us. They're not like us. There was a time where we didn't win big, but we often lost big too. That rarely happens now. Considering we lost Kane, it's a wonder that we are doing as well offensively as we are. If those one goal losses were draws we'd be in an entirely different position, and I think our defence is about to improve one way or another very soon.
I know but I don’t think it’s as important as others say. Spurs have a better GD than teams around them but have lost more games than those teams too. There is still 7 teams with a better GD anyway
Goal difference is necessary to create a league table so therefore must be one of the things that @KingHotspur is analysing when he looks at the league table. But for some reason he prefers to look at points.
There are five items of data for each team that you need to calculate the Premier league table: matches won, drawn and lost and goals for and against. All the other numbers in it can be calculated. The input data is a purer measure of what is happening than calculated numbers such as points. I sometimes wonder why no league orders the table on goals scored, with wins and then lowest goals conceded as tie breakers rather than coming up with the artificial award of points which are actually unnecessary and make league positions more dependent on chance events.
Exactly! 7! 8th is a good representation of where we could quite easily be if a few of the most shocking results were different. I don't see us falling much below 8th next season.
