WAR! What is it good for?

It's just foolish, how they going to eat, how they going to shelter from the sun, how they going to wash, how they going to use the toilet, then magnify this by thousands, it's a shhithole. Let alone some individuals will have disabilities and unable to cope in those conditions, how will they get medical attention. How will they school the kids, the list goes on, then when the bulldozers eventually move in they will have to move anyway, they will not have a choice. I'd say these people will be experiencing worse conditions than our own refugees, maybe we should send all our male refugees home then, if these women and children are able to cope in such conditions. It's just beyond ridiculous.

 

Yeah it's a ****hole bro. A war zone flattened beyond recognition.

But it's these people's home. And as I've outlined, there is a wealth of history that shows why Palestinians want to remain in their homeland, come what may. Because they know that like their Grandparent's generation, if they are forced to leave, they will never be allowed to return. It will be the end of Palestine.

 

What's this got to do with Gaza and the current conflict, it's getting silly, fine let them live in a dangerous shhithole then, and don't come crying when disease spreads and they get seriously ill.

 

It's quite obvious from your responses, you don't care about the people, you care more about winning political arguments, than you do for any human being.

 

Because they know that if they are forced to leave, they will never be allowed to return. It goes right to the heart of the very existence of Palestine.

This is worth a read mate, because it will illustrate how people there feel about it all

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/palestinians-gaza-react-trump-clean-out-plan

 

I'm done lads, it's pointless, we're just going round in circles.

 

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Other news....

3 Israeli's (2 women, 1 man) and 5 Thai to be released tomorrow, don't know the gender of the latter...lol

 

Current day Gaza by drone.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/c7vd8r6jrl0o

 

The death and destruction there is off the scale.

Acceptable ratios or something though....

 

He said Indonesia?!

Jokes aside, as much as you want to pretend it isn't a challenge, the idea of a 'Two State Solution' involving two non-contiguous land masses is fiendishly difficult and not a single workable idea has been proposed since the 'Road Map' to this goal was first published under the Bush administration over 20 years ago.

The accepted wisdom then was that technology would have advanced to the point where solutions would be found, but that hasn't happened. Which means right now the best ideas on the table are either to dig the second-longest tunnel in the world to the tune of $1trillion, or to build a road that will slice Israel proper in half.

As unpalatable as it sounds, the best long-term solution for Gaza has probably always been full integration into Egypt.

 

They should be doing both.

Their inability and unwillingness to properly police the Philadelphi Corridor is a disgrace that isn't spoken about nearly enough.

It is thanks to their incompetence and laziness that Hamas was able to build up the strength to make Oct 7th a reality.

 

The Right of Return in its undiluted form will never, ever be accepted in any negotiation.

It was 700,000 people 75 years ago. There are now close to 7 million Palestinians who claim that right.

This is what happens when a people is kept in perpetual 'refugee' status by the international community without any scrutiny whatsoever. The number mushrooms exponentially.

I highlighted the nonsense of this last week when I mentioned the story of Hussein Awda, a 'refugee' who recently returned to the Jabalia 'refugee camp' to survey the damage caused to his 3-story house and sports club next door.

There isn't a version of reality where Israel can open its doors to 7 million new residents. To put this into perspective, this is the equivalent of the UK admitting 54 million new residents basically overnight. It would destroy the country.

To add to this, **** all is ever said about the 850,000 Arabian and Persian Jews who were expelled from their countries - many who had lived there since Medieval times - in 1947 and 1948 in response to the establishment of the State of Israel. Should those people and all of their children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren not also be granted refugee status and the right of return to Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Yemen, Libya, Morocco, countries which are now either nearly or completely emptied of Jews?

 

I may be pro-Israel but I am not heartless.

Seeing civilians moving like ants between the buildings was deeply jarring. The magnitude and scale of the destruction, and the helplessness they must feel.

This endless violence has to end.

 

Don't worry bro, I'm here all night.

My useless team doesn't play CL football.

Tamworth is about our level.

 

Makes no sense to me people returning to a pile of rubble, unless there is some set up near-by that is going to support them, if it were me and I had chance to get out of the hell-hole, why not take it and give your kids a chance of a new life. I guarantee if it was anyone on here with a mrs and kids you wouldn't be returning to that mess. It's worse than abandoning your kids on a derelict building site and pretending everything is going to be ok. But but it's our land or something.

 

I think you underestimate the connection people have to their land.

 

Ultimately, the Gazan people should be allowed to decide.

They haven't had a voice at all in decades. There is no democracy whatsoever there. The West Bank under Abbas and his cronies is hardly better.

And so they have become pawns, moved around a vast ruined chessboard by far more powerful entities who don't give a toss about them.

 

I probably do, because I can't be arsed with the sentiment of it.

They struggle to get food aid in, they will struggle even harder to getting medicines and buidling materials in. Can't see them being allowed to rebuild it at the same pace as the Russians did with taking Mariupol, at least there Putin had reasons for wanting to erase the mess he made.

 

1 Israeli for 30 Palestinians innit?

So about these dead 8 Israeli hostages, does that mean Israel keep 240 Palestinian criminals in jail or do they execute them?

A deals a deal at the end of the day.