WAR! What is it good for?

Palestinian women and girls have reportedly been arbitrarily executed in Gaza, often together with family members, including their children, according to information received. “We are shocked by reports of the deliberate targeting and extrajudicial killing of Palestinian women and children in places where they sought refuge, or while fleeing. Some of them were reportedly holding white pieces of cloth when they were killed by the Israeli army or affiliated forces,” the experts said.

'We value life more than they do....'

https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-rele...lled-reported-human-rights-violations-against

 

This is a nonsense comment.

Hostages are not synonymous with prisoners. Never, ever equate the two.

Hamas doesn't have the ability to 'arrest' Israelis as it has zero legal jurisdiction over them, so there is nothing to compare even if it was logical to do so.

Israel currently has jurisdiction over 2 million Israeli Arabs plus all Palestinians in Areas B and C of the West Bank. Rightly or wrongly, it's prisoner population will therefore be derived from there.

The real question you should be asking is how many Palestinian Gazans have been arrested, tortured and summarily shot under Hamas' brutal regime. @Saf cited an example earlier that within hours of the ceasefire starting, Hamas was back rounding up and shooting anyone they perceived to be a 'collaborator'.

That's their priority. Not rebuilding. Not urgent healthcare. Shooting their own without hearing or trial.

 

I should have elaborated. The optics are 'we value the lives of our own more than they do'.

That's the PR. Always has been going back decades.

 

Fair point mate.

 

Lobbing rocks at any soldiers across the world is unlikely to go well. Probably less well from a society where they could easily be mistaken for grenades or something. If it was here we’d say the parents were chavvy.

 

The Hamas uniforms are back from the dry cleaners and the press vests can go back in the wardrobe for a while. A full tank of petrol in the brand new pick-up truck and off we go for a ‘victory’ parade with a quick stop to execute a few randoms just in case anyone was thinking of doing something silly like try and stop the next attack.

 

It's a terrible deal, no question.

But things begin to make more sense when we consider the fact that Trump's HELL TO PAY tweet was aimed at Qatar, Egypt and Israel, not Hamas.

And it makes even more sense when we consider the fact that his first foreign affairs call as President was to the Saudis.

 

Perhaps it just reflects death ratios...

 

It reflects how little you’ve learnt about a people you’ve spent 15 months fapping over thanks to propaganda.

 

I need no propaganda to be appalled by how many woman and children have been needlessly killed and maimed by the Israeli 'defensive' action - but you obviously fall for it...

 

Except you’ve fallen for every old trick in their playbook for 15 months because you’ve not once stopped to learn anything while crying over the most infantilised, pandered to people in the world.

 

...whilst you are completely impartial and informed...

One question - do you thinks the death of over 30,000 Gazan women and children is justified? ... a simple yes or no will do...

 

I thought it was aimed at Iran tbph, I could have sworn he spoke out about them before in the run up to his election?

 

i don’t think they value life any less or Isrealis certainly don’t value it any more.

They just have a stronger faith in God

straight up init

we can hide behind modern day bullshit all we want

but this is a religious war before it is anything else in both sides view point not just the Palastinians

They just believe in God’s plan and value their own death to such an extent that they believe it serves a purpose therefore they deal with the idea of death in a certain manner compared to Isrealis who are land grabbing

The only people in both camps that do not have true faith and are in it for their own human greed and evil are the Isreali govt and Hamas

The everyday Palastinian only has his faith to drive him on, that’s why he comes across as he fears not death and I’m sure there’s a few Isrealis and a few Rabbi’s scattered here and there that disagree with Isreali govt and the way it does everyday business

 

It’s not a simple question but as you’ve asked nicely, of course it is. Rolling over and accepting it or keeping to Fosse’s arbitrary cap on civilian (those who actually are civilians, another point you’ve refused to acknowledge) deaths was never an option.

I didn’t say I was impartial. I’m infinitely more informed than you though yet somehow less emotional and black and white about it despite you having zero skin in the game and zero knowledge.

 

Most ITKs I'm in touch with in Israel thought the same, until it was revealed that several top level phone calls were made with Qatar, Egypt and Israel in the immediate wake of that tweet.

Trump was going to cripple Iran either way, irrespective of the situation in Gaza.

The tweet was aimed at the main voices around the negotiating table.

As I've said many times, he may be a total bellend, but Trump is the most likely world leader in a generation to deliver peace, if nothing else because he views all situations as a businessman, not a politician.

 

Sometimes people need to be told straight, get round the table and stop fighting NOW! For that I refer to all current wars.

It's just so easy for world leaders to send kids to front lines to be slaughtered, cattle to the slaughter. Much like my objections to the Ukraine war, ah but freedoms or something, they are our allies, oh that's ok then, tell me again when are you putting on your uniform to go and join them?

 

Their stronger faith in God certainly comes across quite clearly in the mass chants of Allah Hu Akbar as they rampaged through Israeli towns and villages and took hundreds of hostages.

Does Allah approve of the rape and murder of teenage girls?

There is to the best of my knowledge no such chant in the Hebrew language and no such concept as a Shahid either. The concept of dying for a religious cause appears to be unique to Islam in the modern era.

If that constitutes 'stronger faith', I'd rather have no part in it tbh.

The fact that the Hadith equates martyrs with those who die by plague, disease, drowning or earthquake is also quite worrying seeing as the other four categories are entirely accidental and unavoidable.

So yes, if one religion openly calls upon it's adherents to give their life up for God, and the other doesn't, I'd say it's a pretty reasonable conclusion to arrive at that one side values life more than the other.

 

and we're off...

 

Spurly and I can take it back to the Spurs board if you want, but we've got a game to lose to Leicester coming up soon so I don't think that would be fair.