Judge should have said "does it hurt as much as being stabbed?" I know you and I disagree on the death penalty - and I also know that having brought up 3 girls who all did ballet and dance from about 5 years old to teenage, I'm likely ultra sensitive on this particular one - but this guy needs putting down like the rabid dog he is ... just been watching the news - I cannot begin to imagine what those families are going through - or how the **** they are going to deal with it ...
I've already said somewhere mate, I'm against the death penalty but I'm happy to look the other way with this guy. I think the law needs changing if anything can be taken from this case, and that's forcing defendents into court, regardless of how they do it. Cuff the legs and arms like they do in America, then add some form of gag, if need be strap them to some device... please log in to view this image
If someone can stab a kid 120 times, kick the **** out of them, until they go into court peacefully or dead.
I can remember the screws chinning the Lee Rigby killer when he went into Durham. He’d literally taken a few steps inside before he was pushed to the floor and booted in the head. A few of his teeth were knocked out with that. Hopefully this guy gets the same welcome.
Three judges from the Sara Sharif case, who oversaw family court proceedings regarding her care, to be named next week, after a journalist won an appeal. Good idea, let's find out who's not protecting our kids properly, it will make other judges think that little bit harder... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz0l98x7830o
Question I've got for anyone, when Sara Sharif was killed, they held all three adults responsible, so my question is why didn't that also happen with Axel the Southport killer and his parents? Why you may ask, I know his father prevented him taking a taxi to another school one time, so he clearly knew something was wrong, why didn't he do more to get the lad sectioned (maybe he did?), maybe that's eaiser said than done... but the other question that is in my head is how did the lad get like this, is it from stuff they use to tell him, of their experiences in Rwanda... and finally, didn't the police find an array of knives and other stuff in his room, did the parents not know that stuff was there... I accept this is a failure of the state system in dealing with these individuals, but why did the parents not pursue this, and if they knew about the weapons, why didn't they either do something about it or report him? Soz, just seems like lots of unanswered questions, which will hopefully come out in the inquiry.
Just had a quick read. Kids going off the rails and the parents not being able to do much about it. If anyone was to be prosecuted it should be the police imo. https://news.sky.com/story/southpor...orker-warns-over-holes-in-the-system-13295754 So gleaning through this: first strike: "The police were first alerted to Rudakubana when he took a knife into school in 2019. It led to his exclusion, and referrals to the Multi-Agency Safeguarding Hub (MASH) and the Child and Adolescent Mental Health Service (CAMHS)." second strike: "But he returned to the school months later with a knife in his bag and attacked a pupil with a hockey stick. He pleaded guilty to assault and a youth referral order was imposed." At this point he should have been locked up but this country is soft as **** "Between 2019 and 2021 he was referred three times to Prevent. The first referral was for researching school shootings during an IT class. Another referral was made when a teacher found he'd been reading about the London Bridge terror attack. However, he was not deemed a terrorism risk." ffs As for the parents, they probably saw all the times the police did f all especially after this. Not sure what else you expect the parents to do, they ain't the police and clearly the police did give a ****. my opinion based on if the reporting from Sky is accurate at all
Fair enough mate, it leaves one question still, how did he get into this state of psychological behaviour, is the Rwanda part of the jigsaw just a pure coincidence do you think? - I say that knowing his father served in the army or police in an attempt to repel the genocide I think (not sure the exact details). Ie what was Axel told as kid, and did he research it.
The only light I can shed on that is, I know a copper who works solely on knife crime in Brum and the black country, he says lads from Somalia just have absolutely no respect for life and no fear of dying the atrocities they come from breeds that, I would imagine it's the same for the lads from any country with the same issues. The 16/17 yr olds get the 12 yr olds to carry the weapons a few mtrs behind them knowing if they get searched they won't be prosecuted being under 14, just get off with a warning, if there is a situation arise, the 12 yr olds quickly pass the weapons to the older lads.
Got to admit, I do struggle to get my head round it all, but as the likes of you and Bobby tell me stuff it starts to make sense. Much like I struggle to understand loads of kids carrying knives these days and stabbing one another. All I had as a kid was a particular green in our neighbourhood where you met up for fisticuffs lol...well until an adult intervened and dragged you off one another, can we go back to those days please, nothing was ever hurt apart from your pride.
Maybe, some kids just have mental issues. Think about all them gang members who kill people in cold blood. Usually having a lack of a male role model in the house hold and probably a working mum. Loads of kids kill in cold blood because of a bad upbringing (Angela Wrightson's killers) Some people who have a normal upbringing go and kill as well (will cornick, Daniel Bartlam). The way i see it, some of it is nurture, some of it is nature and you are "unlucky" to be born with this (just like some people are born with disabilities or down syndrome etc). What can you do about it, it'd be inhumane to lock them up until they do something. I wonder how many people "grow" out of some violent tendencies when they are older. As a goodie two shoe boffin, i used to think we should be really tough on all sorts of crime - grafitti, bullying, stealing as i followed all the rules (how chinese). Saying that, if someone saw me killing red ants and putting them on the leafs and floating them into the middle of the school pond they might have thought i was going to grow up a psycho.
Think it's like the wire, there was gang members who had rules like only other gangster members etc and then by the end of the series, it escalated more violent and the rules didn't apply and you just went for whoever. I don't know if its more media attention now so its shown more and theres more copycats. More people (think 30 years ago 48 million people, now its 57 million) so of course you only need 0.0001% of them and thats 9 more killers there or more immigration from war torn / culturally intolerant countries (so stereotypically less educated and more violent). People are far less community now and more individual (at least down south) and in the cities so it's no surprise kids aren't picking up these values either
yeah them little ****ers bit me so i was out for revenge . Also the ants aren't good for my mums restaurant so you know i grew up thinking they were the enemy
Very much my take too Bobster - parents possibly wondering what the **** they had to do to get the authorities to take their concerns - and requests, seriously - as I said earlier - good job we don't have same gun laws / controls as the US because that ****er would have annihilated every kid (and adult) there ...
Our day mate, one of you would end up with a bloody nose and it was mainly all but forgotten, sometimes an older brother would get involved but rarely went any further. The 80's you started seeing lads going down and then getting kicked in the head, nowadays they don't seem happy unless they outnumber someone 4 to 1 and still keep putting the boot in, we've had a couple of incidents around here lately, both lads 17, both ended up in hospital with serious head injuries fortunately we don't have much knife crime here yet but larger towns and cities are awash with it, what the answer is, I've no idea but all we seem to get from politicians on all sides is lip service and fake sad faces. Obviously it was always fair in our day but the same kind of incidents we see now seemed to be few and far between in comparison
Like you say, it wasn’t like this in your day and it wasn’t like this back when I was a kid neither. There’s probably a generation difference between us or close as can be. This culture of knife crime and gang crime coincides with massive immigration as the population has swelled and it isn’t a coincidence. It’s ****ed our country and now we are living in a dangerous **** hole because of it. We are getting to the point where we need something radical to reverse it and by radical I mean a massive deportation program. Anyone from these dangerous countries in Africa or the Middle East who has come here since the year 2000 needs to be rounded up and sent back to their country of origin if they’ve had any kids since arriving then the kids will need to go back with them. Anyone coming over on a boat should be met at the beach and taking straight to a detention centre where conditions are harsh. **** their human rights. If they don’t tell us where they’ve come from they’ll stay there living a miserable existence. If they do tell us, we need to get rid of them immediately. Let the world know we are no longer a soft touch. Anybody claiming asylum the correct way, should be treated with dignity and respect while we find out if they’re genuine. If they’re genuine bring them in like we always have done. Everyone knows that the majority are not. The saying that if you import the 3rd world, you’ll become the 3rd world, is an apparent racist trope. It isn’t, it’s becoming more obvious that it’s a true suggestion. The woke brigade will tell you this is a racist rant. I’m passed caring and so should everyone else be. I want my kids and their kids to grow up in the sort of society that I grew up in. I don’t want to worry about them getting stabbed on the bus just heading into school. There. I’ve just said what most people in this country are starting to think, now.
Yup - goes right back to parenting - my old man was in the RAF just at the end / after the war (conscription) - he was quite a good boxer and represented the RAF in the inter-forces tournaments - taught me how to box a bit growing up but, more importantly, taught me values and ways of behaving that I still adhere to and have kept with me all my life like: - always try to talk your way out of a fight - but if it is obvious that you can't, ball your fists as tightly as possible and aim for (specified points - the 'button' being the optimum). - never hit a man that's down and out - and offer your hand if you've won - never hit a woman - only cowards carry weapons Old school I know - but it really sickens me when I see guys that are down and out getting kicked in the head etc.
