Off Topic Social Media and the death of Twitter

Can we just close this thread and be done with it? Nobody is going to change their opinion and this will 100% spill out into other threads like it always does.

 

I really wouldn't bother. I've previously asked DMD to back up assertions with, you know, verifiable facts. He always responds that way.

 

No chance, the way his mind works now, he'll leave it to the most prominent extremists he can. He sees himself as some sort of Heath Ledger's Joker, most of the groyper crowd do in all honesty. The old Elon would have. Not this one. Yeah I realised when I replied what you meant about the "us" bit, apologies. Yeah, that's why I've got so heated about this because while to a lot of people, even those who have said it's a Nazi thing, this will end up under the rug, it's a signal to us that we might be more than a little bit ****ed. And not in a good way.

He reminds me of what happened when my Grandma got a PC for the first time. About a week after me and our kid installed it, we went to visit and she looked incredibly tired, she hadn't eaten or washed or anything. Turns out my brother had shown her there was a solitaire game built into windows and she sat up for 28 hours straight the night before playing it.

Addiction can be a powerful thing (Ketamine, for example) and he's fallen into the darker bits of social media where he's found a crowd that accepts him. He was bought out of paypal, he was cut off by his daughter and he's damn near alienated every woman he's dated/mated with. So when he found a crowd who took him in, he's immediately thrown himself into whatever their culture is. I'm certainly not going to preach about drug taking as a coping mechanism, but certainly this sudden veer to the hard right has coincided with his daughter coming out and him being accused of sexual misconduct against employees.

 

Which ones? Do you have a link to his list you can send me?

 

I think the bridge of your nose might have caved in to the amount of pressure your fingers put on it as you winced.

But, like I said, in a weird way, it feels good that we can talk about it and challenge it in one place. It hasn't got uncivil, and that's me saying that.

 

If nobody has reported anything probably best to leave things up.
Oh, and I learned a something reading it, if you don't talk football on here you're strange or sad, viva free choice.


The views expressed in my posts are not necessarily mine.

 

I do find it interesting that someone can describe someone else as 'strange' and make it sound like an insult.

 

I cant do links. For a start read up on Mosque attack 2017, PC Keith Palmer, Jo Cox, Westminster Bridge attack 2019.

 

I typed it three times, and amended them all, probably for the best.
Amended version, expletives deleted.


The views expressed in my posts are not necessarily mine.

 

We have one poster saying another poster is wrong, but refusing to say, repeatedly and over several hours, where or how he is wrong. Cos he hasn’t got the time.

We have another poster coming onto a football discussion forum and saying not only does he not want to discuss football, he doesn’t want to discuss anything else either.

just another typical day, nothing to see here. Mentions of ‘Corcoran’ will be along soon to make you feel even more at home.

 

Aaaand we're off again, with a contrived and inacurate version of events.

Anyone else want to preach from their soap box?

 

'You're wrong!'
'How?'
'I'm not saying and you can't make me!'
Rinse and repeat.

 

I said he was right. You're adding sod all to things yourself.

 

Not one to preach, more an observation, but one of the main topics around social media is upholding it as a platform for free speech so we shouldn't close down our thread on it.

 

Okay, so this is the article from the day of the Finsbury Park attack in 2017.

Reading into it, murderer was 47 year old Darren Osbourne of Cardiff, charged with murder and attempted murder. Outrage caused when he wasn't convicted of terror offences. Found to have been radicalised by consuming extreme right wing content in less than a month (holy crap, a month?!) including spam emails from Tommy Robinson (those template things that politicians send out begging for money), also diagnosed with depression and was on medication for it.

Finsbury Park attack: What we know so far - BBC News

Westminster Bridge Attack/PC Keith Palmer - Murderer was Khalid Massoud, a 52 year old from Kent. Shot dead by police at the scene. Previous convictions for assault, investigations claim he was radicalised by Islamist propaganda. ISIL claimed responsibility but no evidence was found this was the case, thought to be acting on his own jihad. Crime designated a terror offence.

Last message left by Westminster attacker Khalid Masood uncovered by security agencies | The Independent | The Independent

Jo Cox's murderer was Thomas Mair, 53, from Scotland. Believed that the "liberal left, elites and the mainstream media" were the cause of the world's problems. Previous convictions for Believed Cox was a traitor to white people and when his home was searched, he was found to have Nazi and KKK material in his home and had searched the internet for those things as well as the crimes of Anders Breivik and the IRA assassination of Ian Gow MP. Crime officially designated a terror offence by the CPS.

Sentencing Remarks of Mr Justice Wilkie: R -v- Thomas Mair

So having refreshed my memory on those, the key takeaway from that is that the perpetrators were all over the age of 18 at the time, and therefore there was no legal requirement to hide their names. The Southport guy turned 18 shortly after the murders took place, however at the time the government wouldn't have had any knowledge of him owning terroristic materials so the connection between him being a terrorist after the fact and them not counting him as one before hand isn't really doing anybody any favours. The CPS and Security Services don't monitor every criminal's Internet activity all the time, the amount of resources needed to do that would be vast; it would be ideal, but it's just not practical. Once they found evidence of ricin and terroristic material in October 2024, he was immediately charged under the Biological Weapons act and the Terrorist Act, which, well, you'd bloody well hope so.

The government get their information from the security services, the intel doesn't go straight to the cabinet office or the CPS so they can only comment and act on what's put in front of them at the time. These claims that "the police were aware of him" are also a bit vague; if somebody has an offence for shoplifting and then goes on to become a mass murderer, the police aren't going to look back and go "we should have known". Ruakabena had a lot of issues, not least the fact that he was referred to Prevent three times and denied access to the program because he "didn't fit the criteria of a terrorist", but also his behaviour in school and what he was like at home should have been big red flags that he needed some kind of referral to a secure unit. Why that never happened is an important question that needs answering. He was clearly a dangerous individual, neurodiverse conditions notwithstanding, so something went badly wrong for him not have been assessed as a threat to others sooner.

These events stir up emotion in the public because they are so ****ing horrible, but it's in those moments we need to have common sense. There are people at the moment, some in positions of power in this country, who will unashamedly use these events to further their own agenda and get people on their side.

I remember the Nail Bombings in London and David Copeland, the perpetrator, wasn't designated a terrorist, despite the fact his admitted reason for doing it was because he hated foreign people, gays and black people. I don't know how that didn't get classed as terrorism given the fear it caused those communities.

 

If it were up to me, there'd be one thread allowing it with one rule, don't attack other posters. If conversation is kept impersonal, it goes further than it does it people start calling each other names. Reason being, politics seems to have infected everything now, it's within every conversation and it's difficult to avoid it if you stick to a very strict rule of "none". As far as forums go, this one is pretty laid back about it, it's when people start getting ****y that it needs to stop, free speech or not.

But, by the good graces of providence and my laziness when the mod spaces were up for grabs, it is not up to me. And for that I, and I'm sure everybody else, is thankful.

 

It's that line between discussing twitter, and discussing what's on twitter where the problems arise. Some people don't discuss, they are more dogmatic.

 

They are but most users skim over the dogma drivel and rabbit hole tit for tat. Major platforms are going down and users are migrating between platforms and fast changing social media is a matter of interest for everyone online.

 

Most readers skim over it, sadly some posters see it as an opportunity to push agendas.