'Other groups' don't tend to carry a concept of martyrdom ... and that's the key delineation... and the real point...
So we can assume starmer was told about the jihadi terror manual, the chemical he was making and the fact he'd been rrfferd to prevent 3 times previously since the age of 13. And he and the media absolutely looked to shut down all of that talk when it happened. I'm not sure if anyone went to jail directly for posting about him but his action and the lack of this information that was held from the public caused people to get angry and start protesting/rioting. So in short all those people calling him a terrorist whilst the media told us he was a Welsh Christian were right. Starmer is quite simply bought and paid for by Davos cartel. Get him the **** out
Let's just play along and say Starmer had said he was a terrorist, what difference would it have made? Terrorist, not a terrorist, same outcome surely?
It may have stopped people marching in anger. Many of those people went in anger mode when the media said he was a Welsh Christian and the police said It wasn't being treated as terror related. Which at the time I certainly thought it sounded terror related and so did many others, the gaslighting was the trigger for some It may have saved lot of people normal but angry people going jail for one.
I haven't really read up on the killer to be honest. I just got the impression he was a person with violent tendencies, who was looking for an outlet to justify to himself his behaviour. So if he gets his hands on a certain manual and works himself up into a big enough frenzy, he justifies it to his voices to do what he does. Is that terror related?....yes it's terrified people his actions, but is it terror related in the way we tend to use the meaning of the word. The honest answer I don't know, because having a manual on it;s own, does not confirm that to my train of thought....it's no different to me buying a book on bomb making, then going out with it and a bible in my backpack, I'm just a nutter looking to justify my actions, under some pretence there is a cause. But I guess you guys have read stuff up on this that I haven't.
... not bad Sucky ... apart from the facts that all the obvious signs and recommendations for intervention / sanctioning and suspicions that he might have become radicalised ... happened under the Tory government... Starmer had to deal with false rumours that the guy was a recently arrived Muslim asylum seeker ... which he obviously wasn't...
Okay but the Tories are out bro so ya can't sack them now. Anyways the attempted cover up thickens massively here
His father is in the deep stuff I suspect - and rightly so ... if I suspected any kid of mine (or relative) had intentions of a killing carnage I'd have hog-tied them and taken them to the nearest police station or hospital myself... no kidding...
I heard today there was to be a public inquiry into the killings. My first though on hearing this news from the Home Secretary was will this delay the truth coming out...I feel some what cynical towards this course of action. As I said with the other inquiry regarding grooming, it could delay the truth coming out for up to 10 years. Long after the current sitting parliament has gone, shouldn't we know the answers now if we were lied to? I'm not suggesting we were lied to, I've not really got into this argument, it's just as soon as I heard the words public inquiry, it got my suspicion of distrust going.
Given the number of missed opportunities to intercede, a public enquiry was always on the cards - expect loads of recommendations ...
We were lied to tho mate When they searched his house and found the manual and ricin the discovery only came out months after the riots.
It's semantics mate - if you go back over what was actually said - the Governmental response was to the spurious claims that the perp was a Muslim asylum seeker and to the riots after the event wrongly targeting asylum hotels etc as a result ...
Yeh man you'd have too, any 18yr old with that intent and the material in his room was beyond any parents intervention. With what's come out it's madness this wasn't stopped beforehand
While I agree, why didn't she wait a while to announce that, why was it announced as soon as she could, because to me and ive not followed anything on this lad, it looks like delay tactics. It may well not be, but as I don't particularly trust any politician it's stuff like this that gets me annoyed. First we were told we had to wait until the trial, can't discuss it beforehand, no mention of an inquiry then. I even said on here many times, don't discuss so called allegations until after the trial. Well he went guilty and immediately the government bang in the inquiry, so we are not going to get the promised answers again, I asssume until after the inquiry is finished. It just looks suss.
You're saying the government and media withheld the information to stop racial/religion tensions? Again?
Stuff I'm reading now suggests the scumbag had a fascination for violence and had read up on Genghis Khan and Adolf Hitler as well as the IRA and Al Quaeda... Now as a bit of a historian, I can tell you that Genghis slaughtered millions of muslims after a particular sultanate had insulted him by sending his envoys heads back in a crate ... and Hitler wouldn't actally have viewed them as the 'Aryan ideal' for sure ... The suggestion is that his prime motivation might have come from a fascination with violence rather than any fundamentalist religious belief and that's going to be one aspect that the enquiry will certainly look at...
Can't disagree with anything you've said - I don't really trust ANY politician... but then I am a confessed and unapologetic cynic
