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“Net Zero”: The political lie for a generation

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    Over in the USA, the likes of Microsoft have signed multi-million dollar contracts with various nuclear power providers. They are going to build their data centres near to nuclear power stations and get continuous electricity that way. There are even plans involving re-opening old facilities like Three Mile Island.
     
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    Yup, which takes that supply from the grid. Meanwhile, the UK has let the small Nuclear modules made by Rolls Royce go to France.
     
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    Why Ed Miliband’s net zero dream is doomed to failure

    If only the wind would blow:
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    One of the things highlighted in this piece is how little exists to cover periods when the sun does not shine and the wind does not blow. In recent times there have been several periods of lack of wind. Between 26 February and 8 March, the much vaunted Renewables provided just 11 per cent of electricity – and it was not just the UK as much of Europe suffered the same fate. We had the same problem last week (4 November to 10 November). In the UK that left us reliant on our Interconnectors to import electricity from Norway, Denmark, France, Belgium and the Netherlands. So much for energy independence and security, Ed.

    There is no viable form of energy storage anywhere on the horizon, so 2030 is a total fantasy. We need to have some form of storage for tens of terawatts of energy and the Royal Society has calculated this would cost the equivalent of HS2 a year if it existed. Extracting hydrogen from water is extremely expensive. As Andrew Montford, director of Net Zero Watch, states, “We’re betting the economy on the hope that someone will come up with a viable storage solution. It’s like jumping out of a plane and hoping someone will invent a parachute on the way down.”

    Starmer, Lammy and Miliband took the private jet to Baku for COP29 to do some virtue-signalling. Strangely, none of the world’s other big players bothered to show up. Notable absentees included the USA, China, India and the European Union. That is half of the population of the planet not represented. Look where the last two talking shops have been held: United Arab Emirates and Azerbaijan, two huge oil/gas dependent economies. The next one is to be in Brazil, which just joined OPEC. How many on the plane to Copacabana?

    There is no possible prospect of Miliband making his 2030 target as the physical infrastructure simply cannot be built. The Sophia wind farm currently under construction on the Dogger Bank will provide 1,400 megawatts of electricity. We need to build another 30 Sophia wind farms by 2030, requiring 9 million tonnes of steel. Miliband’s own department says that we do not have enough ships to do the work anyway and we cannot connect them to shore as we cannot produce enough high voltage cables.

    We could use the most environmentally friendly form of electricity but we have failed to invest in nuclear and in 2029 we might have no nuclear at all as we only have one power station under construction and all our existing stations are due to shut down, with Sizewell B shut for maintenance in 2029 and the other four shut for good.

    Somebody needs to put Ed Millipede out of our misery and tell this government to stop lying about lower energy bills as they are never going to happen.
     
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    Northvolt chief resigns a day after battery maker collapses into bankruptcy

    In America it is Thanksgiving Day on Thursday followed by Black Friday. Well if you were invested in the supposed certainty of electric battery production, Black Friday was 22nd November as Europe’s biggest player Northvolt’s co-founder fell on his sword as the company filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection in New York.

    When your entire business is manufacturing batteries for Electric Vehicles (EV) and Joe Public has decided that he does not want Electric Vehicles, you are in trouble. Big corporate investors such as Goldman Sachs and Baillie Gifford are going to have to decide if they want to throw money into the bottomless pit to keep the Swedish company alive or (more likely) break it up and salvage the bits that are receiving huge subsidies in Germany and Canada.

    Two of their biggest customers are Volkswagen and Scania (owned by Volkswagen), companies that are closing EV factories as demand slumps across Europe and America. They cannot compete with their Chinese, Japanese and Korean battery manufacturing rivals – especially when they use equipment that they buy off the Chinese.
     
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    Securing home-grown energy” – most of the money is going to foreign companies and when the wind does not blow we still import electricity from Denmark, France and Norway.

    “protecting billpayers” – hands up all those ‘working people’ who will not see their bills rise in January but keep your hand down if you are a government minister claiming your heating bills on expenses at your boyfriend’s £4m London mansion.

    “putting us on track to at least 95% Clean Power by 2030” – so Ed Milipede is not targeting 100% by 2030 anymore but just ‘putting us on track’ to 95%.
     
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    Storm Darragh 1
    Ed Milipede, Secretary of State for Energy Security and Net Zero 0

    Huge storm-wrecked solar farm on Anglesey won't be repaired until 2025
    Porth Wen, Cemaes, Anglesey – owned by EDF, subsidised by taxpayers
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    Storm Darragh leaves UK solar farm in pieces
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    Energy Security, Ed? The wind blows and foreign investors will now want more taxpayers’ money to fix their Net Zero projects. Net Zero between somebody’s ears. When are those cuts to our energy bills coming? The twelfth of never.
     
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    Great British Energy – one of the new quangos wasting your taxpayers’ money


    Remember this?
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    What you got was this:
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    What you are getting is this:
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    Which is why the Net Zero zealot who put the green subsidies on your energy bills looks like this:
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    hair like Ken Dodd and just as barmy
     
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    If David Blunkett tried to make a Toby jug.
     
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    The biggest bullsh*tter, in a government made up almost exclusively of them, is Ed Miliband. A true Communist that got beat by Blairite Cameron in the 2015 election when Labour leader. Miliband talks about creating a “Clean Energy Superpower”... it is called China.

    You can forget the £300 cut in your energy bills that was promised before the election. We have the most expensive energy in Europe and it is nothing to do with reliance on Russian gas – we got virtually none of our gas from Russia. Our three biggest import sources for gas are Norway, the USA and Qatar. We could just use more of our own but Miliband won’t allow that.

    Billions of subsidy is being given to foreign powers to build our ‘Renewables’, so those hundreds of thousands of jobs are a fantasy. Almost all the equipment is being built in other countries, especially China, which controls most of the rare earth minerals needed for production and is flooding the market with cheap (State subsidised) kit. If you see a wind turbine or a solar panel it most likely came from China. The jobs are not in Britain. We are paying foreign workers. There is no inward investment in the UK from the world’s largest authoritarian regime and they won’t be buying anything from the UK – we already run a trade deficit of more than £30bn annually with China. They are giving us generous payment terms on the kit so that we are on the hook to them for decades to come. It is Chinese PFI.

    Energy security? Miliband knows nothing about security. When the wind turbines and solar panels need replacing, China can charge what they like for replacements as they will have a virtual monopoly. They supply the rare earth minerals for base manufacturing or the parts for assembly lines.

    While Miliband is busy making sure that we have unreliable insecure energy supplies, Sir Keith Stalin is busy lying about making Britain a centre for Artificial Intelligence (AI) investment. Only a complete fruitcake would try to set up an AI data centre in a country where there is no guaranteed supply of electricity to power it.

    Miliband has already started watering down his 2030 manifesto commitment to having all our power from Renewables. He reduced it to 95 per cent but he is clearly going to have to go further. It is physically impossible to achieve within five years, something that he was told before he even came to office.
     
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    According to Rachel from Accounts, the tenth of a percent decline in the economy in January was the fault of Donald Trump, a man who had only been in office for eleven days of that month.

    Not much more than a cursory inspection of the ONS data points the finger at somebody that sits around the Cabinet Table with Stalin, Reeves and the other incompetents.

    In January there was a 0.9% fall in manufacturing. There was also a 0.2% fall in construction (obviously not busy building those 1.5 million homes). The only good news was that the services sector grew by 0.1%. It is not all Labour’s fault. Since the pandemic, industrial output is down nearly 10%. Our manufacturing output has fallen below that of Italy and France, two countries stuck in a stagnating European Union.

    So why is Britain de-industrialising at an accelerating rate? What is it that our chemicals industry and our electrical equipment industry require that is making them uninvestable?

    How about energy? According to the International Energy Agency, the power for UK big industry costs much more than other big economies:
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    Sir Jim Ratcliffe is closing the Ineos chemical plant at Grangemouth in Scotland because their energy bill is 40% of their base costs and makes the plant unviable. Surely energy should be dirt cheap in Scotland as we are continually being told how Scottish Renewables are going gangbusters. Oh, I forgot, the prices are fixed against natural gas prices for when the wind does not blow and we have windfall taxes on gas producers.

    Billions of pounds are being thrown into Net Zero by perpetual loser and eco zealot Ed Miliband while our national finances and industries are being destroyed. While the likes of loony Left Richard Burgon call for a Wealth Tax that they allege will raise £24bn (it won’t), the Milipede is wasting £22bn on Carbon Capture that we know does not work.

    Reeves needs to stamp on the Milipede or get Stalin to put him out of our misery. There is no route to a growth economy that includes this Net Zero ideology, which does nothing to save the planet. The OECD has already downgraded the UK growth forecast:
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    According to a recent article in The Times, the British Chamber of Commerce estimate for UK growth this year has been downgraded to 0.9%, which is largely driven by government spending.
     
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    Thanks for the update.
     
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    Green power backup floors Heathrow airport
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    Was it Milipede that started the fire?
     
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    <laugh> You gullible ****
     
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    I thought the monologues on the spam thread were long.

    Qmong, no-one is reading it.

    Except dull maybe, but he's obsessed with hating Muslims atm.
     
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    Speak for yourself. I read the last one twice plus once out loud on the bus.
     
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    He actually types it all out, adds little pictures and witty comments.

    It's quite spectacular.
     
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    So it would appear that this country just ships its **** to countries half way across the globe to burn. Who’d have thought it? Net Zero is a total crock of **** Milliband you manipulative lying ****.
     
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    Remember that tissue of lies spun by Rachel from Accounts on Wednesday? Her delusional idea that a little cut here and a little cut there and suddenly everything would be alright with the public finances. The Spring Statement was reiterating the Road to Serfdom. The bond market vigilantes did not buy it so the OBR forecasts are already toast.

    She mentioned some “contingent liabilities” but she did not give any detail. Well, the “contingent liabilities” include £8bn that Ed Miliband has put aside as insurance cover for his £22bn punt on Carbon Capture.

    So she cut some benefits by £5bn (an estimate that the OBR subsequently reduced to £4.8bn in real value) – a trifling drop in the ocean compared to the actual amount being shelled out – when she could have just scrapped Miliband’s insurance policy.

    The problem is that the likes of Shell, BP and Equinor that got involved in Carbon Capture did so on the understanding that as well as the £22bn they are getting from the taxpayer, the taxpayer will also bail them out if it proves to be a complete waste of money that does not work (almost certain).

    As the public finances continue to get worse, entirely the fault of Rachel from Accounts (not the Tories, not Trump), there must come a point where Stalin needs to try and save his own bacon and that means ending the Net Zero bandwagon, sacking Miliband and going back to fossil fuels that are guaranteed to generate tax revenue to fund public services. How about drilling for oil in the Falklands? There is loads of black gold there – agree to split the revenues with Argentina so they do not start another war. Paying the Chinese hundreds of billions for solar panels made using electricity from coal-fired power stations is a Net Zero hypocrisy, offshoring the emissions.
     
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