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Match Day Thread Tottenham Hotspur v Arsenal

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  1. humanbeingincroydon

    humanbeingincroydon Well-Known Member

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    HG Tax plays a large part in some of those fees, ditto the £40m for Archie Gray (even if we clawed some of that back with Rodon headed their way)

    Don't forget that Bournemouth paid £19m for Solanke five years ago, back when £19m was enough to sign a first-choice player for most PL teams as opposed to now where it is enough to sign a reserve goalkeeper
     
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  2. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    Even with HG tax it’s still extortionate and that’s the problem.

    Solanke’s should’ve been around £45m-£50m, as he’s probably a £35m calibre striker.
    Johnson around £30m as he’s around a £20m calibre winger.

    Richarlison without any HG tax is at best a £20m striker.

    The Gray fee can at least be explained for investing in what will hopefully be a long term asset as well as being an exceptionally gifted young player. If you get 7-8 years of Gray at the club the £40m will have been peanuts. Equally we could only get 2-3 years out of him and then receive a £100m bid from City or someone similar. I have less issues paying a bit extra for what is deemed elite young talent than I do on players whose ceilings are already clear to see and are simply being overpaid for.
     
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  3. Solid Air 2

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    i think we are very generous on wages too but then i'm a very frugal chap <laugh>
     
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  4. PowerSpurs

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    I've only got it from 2005 as the Deloitte Revenue info is hard to find before then. Some of the data is from Wiki but it looks like a cut and paste of the Deloitte report so is probably accurate.
    I hadn't updated this for a couple of years and the two averages are now identical!

    league position 5.45 9 5 5 11 8 4 5 4 5 6 5 3 2 3 4 6 7 4 8 5
    revenue position 5.45 6 6 6 5 5 5 6 5 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 4 5 5 5 4
     
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  5. humanbeingincroydon

    humanbeingincroydon Well-Known Member

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    It isn't extortionate given Chelsea single-handedly distorted the global transfer market ever since Todd Bollo bought the club, so factor that in along with HG Tax and we paid the going rate

    Or to put it another way, buying an English striker for less than what Man Utd paid for Harry Maguire is not extortionate
     
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  6. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    Utd horrifically overpaying for Maguire doesn’t mean us signing a player for less still isn’t overpaying.

    £175m spent on Johnson, Richarlison and Solanke is severely overpaying. Because that figure on three players should be bringing you game changers. Instead all we’ve gotten is one ‘decent’ player from it. We’ll be making a terrible loss on one of them whenever they depart too, if they ever depart that is.
     
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  7. humanbeingincroydon

    humanbeingincroydon Well-Known Member

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    It does mean we didn't overpay

    Strikers tend to cost more than CBs

    Also we technically paid more for Richarlison
     
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  8. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    We did overpay. The easiest way to prove that too is if we sold all three this window, we wouldn’t recoup the £175m.

    Though I’d like to point out I wouldn’t want to sell Solanke, I’ve been impressed at times with him, even if he’s not worth £65m. Though I’d happily cash in on the other two and take what we can get then move on.
     
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  9. The RDBD

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    Wage bill as % of revenue is a good measure of club health.
    The clubs doing ok on-pitch and run as
    "business of own account" often seem to have around 60% .
     
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  10. humanbeingincroydon

    humanbeingincroydon Well-Known Member

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    We did not overpay. The easiest way to prove that we did not overpay is to look at Solanke's passport, notice the nationality, and then look for examples of players whose passports read the same yet clubs paid significantly more for significantly less, which Harry Maguire is the most obvious example of
     
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  11. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    Man Utd horrifically overpaid for Maguire.

    Tottenham overpaid for Solanke.
     
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  12. Solid Air 2

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    we are run as a self sufficient business and iirc our % is about 65%
     
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  13. Left on the Shelf

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    I think you need to look at the last 5 years - effectively from the new stadium massively impacting revenues. That period is somewhat less impressive as the league position average is 6 and the revenue position at 4.6. That indicates a significant decline in on-field/revenue performance surely?
     
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  14. PowerSpurs

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    It also coincides with Arsenal and Chelsea massively overspending against their revenue so our position above them in the wealth table hasn't really helped. So I don’t think it is significant. They can't keep that up.
     
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  15. The RDBD

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    So as I said, the % is the issue - not the absolute value.

    A few years ago I saw that Spurs and Man Utd
    had a season where the % was close to 50%
    (surprising for the latter given they were the recent empire) .
     
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  16. humanbeingincroydon

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    Except we didn't overpay for Solanke, we paid the going rate for a HG striker in a distorted market

    Also, your criteria for overpaying simply doesn't work, given we broke even on Barren Dent and Paulinho
     
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  17. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    We did, but feel free to keep telling yourself otherwise.
     
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  18. humanbeingincroydon

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    We didn't, by numerous easily quantifiable metrics, but keep refusing to budge
     
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  19. Dr Venkman

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    Isak 65 million

    I hope that's all the information you need.
     
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