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Match Day Thread Tottenham Hotspur v Newcastle United

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  1. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    We?!

    You called him one of our best ever January signings and that re-signing him made sense.

    I’ll never forget that line <laugh>
     
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  2. Citizen Kane.

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    I have since repented of my sins.

    One of my worst ever calls.

    Up there with predicting Davinson Sanchez would be "the next Ledley King".
     
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  3. Saf

    Saf Not606 Godfather+NOT606 Poster of the year 2023

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    In agreement?

     
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    Easy bro, hope your’e well

    and yes I agree

    Our club isnt about the football anymore, the people running it have zero clue as to how to help the manager build a team as he wants. Levy got Ange in, Levy should know what Ange is all about. Replacing him will just be the same old result in the long term but a different manager.

    All roads lead to the hierarchy

    ENIC/Levy out
     
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  5. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    Yes and no.

    The recruitment strategy is actually largely based on Postecoglou’s criteria. He only wants players who are desperate to only join Spurs and not just want out of their club. That means good/ great players, who’ll have multiple clubs interested and therefore would require incentives to join wouldn’t be of priority to Ange and therefore it lessens the pool of players our scouts and DoF can target and sign.

    He’s also shown a very amateurish way of managing and for me is massively out of his depth. Completely incapable of helping develop any players too.

    However, the hierarchy have been making so many abysmal decisions for too long now that almost any manager would struggle. There’s very little on-pitch ambition and it shows. Having 24 years of the same project and ownership style has become laboured and it clearly doesn’t have the recipe for success. It isn’t to say a new owner would be better, they of course could be considerably worse but I’m personally absolutely willing to try. I don’t see ENIC selling up any time soon however so it somewhat feels pointless to talk about something that almost certainly won’t be changing for a while.
     
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  6. Spurlock

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    Imagine having an owner hell bent on football success

    as if that wouldn’t have an impact on the culture of the football club, on the expectancy levels of the players and managers

    its so obvious
     
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  7. Saf

    Saf Not606 Godfather+NOT606 Poster of the year 2023

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    I’m yes and no, as well.

    I believe the club has gone stale and needs some new input and ideas when it comes to recruitment and an identity on the pitch when it comes to your playing style. These two things should really go hand in hand.

    However, Ange doesn’t have the all round game to ever succeed in the premier. He seems out of his depth when it comes to tactics. I’ve noticed if you’re a goal up in the last ten, he’s bringing a forward off and replacing him with a CB. I hate that way of thinking it’s so old school. You could be cruising and like to grab the second to kill the game off, then he does that and you have no way of getting it up the pitch and keeping it there. You may as well throw the ball to the opposition and tell them they’ve got 10 minutes to bombard your goal. Inevitability, every now and again they’ll get through, then you’ve not got the players on the pitch to go looking for a winner.

    I’d keep him in the job until he’s won or been dumped out of the league cup. I’d replace him with Potter and give him until the end of the season to assess the squad before going for it next season.

    You need to know what you’re about. Are you going to be buying young players to develop them with huge resale values? Are you looking for players who have experience of playing in Europe and won medals? Do you want to set a formation and playing style for the club that must be adhered to so you can easily match up with any incoming managers with exactly what you’re looking for?

    Big changes needed.
     
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  8. Spurlock

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    We buy players for our current manager that are supposed to come good in about 4 years time, that’s about 3 years after he will have been sacked.

    The man at the top is clueless

    and yes these players are purchased with one eye firmly on resale value

    We never buy experienced winners because that’s a football thing, if you know your football then you understand their importance. Levy isn’t a footballing man, he has zero football IQ
     
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  9. KingHotspur

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    Werner and Forster definitely aren’t good enough. I rate him but Archie Gray isn’t a centre back. Dragusin has turned out to be a poor poor signing, doesn’t look suited to Angeball or English football in general for me. Bergvall like Gray has potential but currently not ready to be playing in the PL.

    I agree most of the senior first choice players haven’t been good enough either but this is when you need a strong squad so you can rest/drop them without a massive drop off in quality. Spurs just don’t have that. Too many bang average players.
     
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    No.

    A half decent manager could improve things imo.

    Ange is arrogant and amateur. Kamikaze football with no control or organisation.
     
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    Even the one eye firmly on resale value is often squinting and out of focus.

    It's one thing spending circa £10-20m on the likes of Sarr, Bergvall, Vicario, Udogie etc., chances are in all likelihood if they decided to leave/we decided to sell, we'd make a tidy profit.

    But things aren't so simple and the risk factor is so much higher when we're dropping £30-50m on the likes of Odobert, Gray, Johnson etc. When your buy-in is already that steep, you'd need them to develop into some of the best players in the world in order to turn a nice profit on them.

    Brennan for instance looks like a £30m player tops. We paid £50m for him and would need him to develop to the point that he's worth circa £70-80m to have made it worthwhile. I for one struggle to see that happening as his all-round game is so limited.

    We're so unbelievably confused. No single coherent strategy anywhere.

    Buy low, sell high makes a lot of sense and served us very well in ENIC's early years.

    Buy high, sell even higher is a huge risk.
     
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    another great example of why those running the club know nothing about running the club
     
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    Oh while I’m here… Cirkin is doing great. Easily the best LB in the championship now. We love him.
     
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    Enjoy your birthday and look on the brightside, Newcastle won!
    Agree entirely. If you take out all emotion and justs look at the finances, the global reach and the infrastructure that ENIC have put behind Tottenham then I'd say they've been a great success. However everything about them simply screams "just compete, that'll do". That then influences all the footballing decisions and the ethos of the manager and the players imho. It's what Mourinho and Conte were arguing against in the main - or so it seemed to me.

    At Newcastle yes the owners have invested but our net spend since we were taken over is, i believe, 6th highest in the league (and we were starting with a terrible team with no value!) since then. The main change came in all the off the field noises - the aim was to actually try and challenge for things rather than make do. It seems patently clear that our owners want to improve the football and keep trying to push higher up the league each season, I think in any organisation that kind of messaging does have an affect on the expectations of the employees and the customers.
     
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    He's excellent. You've got a few who are really starting to shine, be great to see you back in the Premiership. You may end up going straight back down again but suspect you'd do better than Southampton are!
     
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    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    I’ve been a Potter fan for years but after joining Chelsea it’s dented the desire I have to see him here, we’ve had a few too many ex-Chelsea managers for my liking.

    The one that’s really impressing and intriguing me is Iraola. Had to sell his star player to us in the summer yet has Bournemouth 9 points clear of us and challenging for European spots. He’s the closest manager to another Pochettino I’ve seen too, even his career path is similar - good but not elite player, took over a Spanish club, then took over an English club on the south coast, plays pressing football with a focus on out running the opposition, is capable of developing players…

    If Ange went tonight he’s who I’d want but I don’t think he’d join until the summer and rightly so.

    In terms of identity and targets etc. everything on that side is a mess. A coherent system with a focus on attacking but remaining defensively aware would be nice. In terms of signings, no problems going for prospects as we’ve been doing but it needs to be levelled out with ready-made players too and ideally a couple top level ones. I’ve been saying recently that since moving to the new stadium, the only two players we’ve signed with genuine top tier pedigree were Bale on loan and Perisic on a free, both who’d seen their best years already and essentially cost us nothing but wages and a signing on fee. It’d be nice to splash out on a player who’s in their prime and that gets the league and Europe’s notice.
     
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    I’m enjoying the chaos

    I have to be honest

    I believe we need changes at the top or we will always reach these points manager after manager

    and I’m prepared to take a little bit more chaos yet tbh
     
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    I’ve resigned myself to ENIC and Levy never selling up so the biggest change that can happen is getting rid of the manager.

    I don’t and never have rated the manager so think pretty much anyone half decent could get better results.

    Contrary to what some say, it doesn’t have to be chaos like this or park the bus football, there is a mid point which would suit the club more.
     
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    Sums it up...:emoticon-0183-swear
    So, a foot or more away from the side of the body is now 'a natural position by his side'? <doh>

    IMG_20250105_084225.jpg
     
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    Having just seen a reply how on earth that is interpreted as not having any influence on the goal is beyond me. It was a good strike to finish it though....
     
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