Other experts echoed Thomas’s scepticism. “I’ve never seen a bird strike prevent the landing gear from being extended,” said Geoffrey Dell, an Australian airline safety expert. Trevor Jensen, an Australian aviation consultant, said fire and emergency services would normally be ready for a belly landing, “so this appears to be unplanned”. Dell said that if a flock of birds had been sucked into the engines, that would not have shut the engines down immediately, giving the pilots time to react. Footage of Sunday’s crash shows the plane travelling at speed when it made contact with the tarmac. It did not appear to slow down as it careered along the runway and across a buffer zone directly in front of the perimeter wall. In a typical belly landing, Thomas said, “you are going to land on your engines and you’re going to have a bumpy ride. You come in with minimum fuel, you have fire tenders in attendance, covering the runway with foam, and you land at the furthest end of the runway and usually it ends up being an OK situation.” https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...plane-crash-unclear-bird-strikes-landing-gear
1 ... it crash landed because the pilot grounded it ... ffs Ponks ... you had one job (before Easter) ...
If the pilot grounded it and the gear was down then it wouldn't have crashed landed. You've failed the aptitude test for admission into the PAAI I'm afraid Flos.
You're doing great mate. Had to look on Youtube to remind myself of the song, then randomly looked at any lesson on it. Marty popped up so had a look to see what he was doing, and bear in mind there will always be different interpretations, but the chorrds I noted were EM, D, C and G - also a couple of little tricks in his version around the EM which can be nice to play with sometimes...one of which I called the wish you were hear lick, just my way of relating to certain notes and telling me where to be on the fret board. I've started this video from skipping the chat... Oh and in case you think wtf is he on about with the EM trick, beginnning of this...
You usually see those landing lights on frames, why they've embedded them into a concrete wall is crazy given that is the safe runoff space for runway overshoots. A tragedy that could have been avoided
It's like they said everyone would have survived if it wasn't for that wall, that's despite no fire trucks being there, which has to be another question, why did the plane have to come down so quickly, before any fire crews got there. Giving the poilot and co pilot benefit of doubt, did they have two engine faiilures as well as a faulty undercarriage (electrical failure?), what was the immediate need to crash land there and then before any help was on sight and presumeably before any fuel was dumped.
Seems it might have been electrical failure, the only thing that I can think of that makes any sense... Evidence points to the aircraft experiencing an electrical failure because it stopped transmitting location data – known as “ADS-B data” – to air traffic control shortly after declaring Mayday, Thomas said. “It appears as though these pilots were dealing with cascading failures, the exact nature of which we don't know.7 hours ago https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024...lane-crash-highlights-dangers-of-bird-strikes
If they had electrical failures then it’s likely that all of their instruments and controls were failing too and the pilots just wanted to get it on the ground asap. It looks like a perfect storm of catastrophic events has come together, a bird strike (which can take out both engines, remember the Hudson River ditch) failing electrical, hitting the runway too far down and then colliding with a concrete wall that shouldn’t have been there.
This event made me think of the Hudson River incident from the off and ask myself why didn't they land on the water, but apparentely from what I've read about training, crash landing on tarmac is safer, although now with hindsight...
Yeah I think there's less chance of the plane flipping if it lands on tarmac. If you land on water and drag a wing the whole aircraft is sent into a spin (there was that infamous crash from a hijacked plane which attempted to land in the Indian ocean I think ?)
Ironically hitting water at speed can do more instant damage than hitting a concrete runway, but hitting a concrete wall at speed is only ever going to be a disaster
If it does turn out to be Electric Failure then maybe every Boeing passenger plane should be grounded as this is one of a number of failures Then sue Boeing out of existence
