You keep missing the criteria it seems. As the issue at hand was about shariah I was using shariah as the basis for my answers. Opinion doesnt come into it. Its either shariah or not and I was highlighting to the other poster that it isnt As for relevance, there may not be any. My initial response was based on your question/point about whether I should be ignored based on my living in a less Islamic country. The point was/is that that is irrelevant. Most hadith are sayings and actions of the prophet in certain situations. As a rule they are clarifications of certain things in the Quran. But most importantly they are specific to specific situations and not transferable between situations that differ So in this instance if the hadith is regarding a womans attitude towards her husband then it cannot and should not be used in the political arena as tehy are 2 different things
Orthodox Jews are ****ing hilarious, the women all wear odd 1950s clothing shave their heads and wear wigs, the blokes have some crazy *** hairdos and they all wear Clarks shoes.... They are the only people to wear a 3 piece suit and still look scruffy... This time of year they get the massive fur hats out that are about 4 times bigger than their heads, priceless... please log in to view this image
You've claimed that sharia isn't in place in any country today. If that's the case, then any claim made by anyone, especially any politician, would fall under the same rule and you'd have to dismiss it. No, it isn't. You said that her claims had to be examined based upon, "how 'islamic' this woman or the country is". Seeing as you believe that no country is Islamic, you are automatically dismissing every claim made by anyone. Presumably that would include you.
Why would I have to dismiss it? I dont 'dismiss' what she has said, she is incorrect that is what I am pointing out. If she was correct I would have said she was correct In any case it was less about her and the person trying to use her to prove his wrongful vieww I think you need to read back, I am not prepared to get into the usual pettiness tbh This country is not Islamic but I am still muslim. The issue isnt what you are attempting to make it or understand it to be
Pointing out that she is wrong because she's quoted a hadith out of context or inappropriately is fine. Pouring scorn on her claim because her country's not Islamic enough, yet not allowing any country to meet your criteria, clearly isn't.
see this is why our discussions end up the way they do, basically you make stuff up For all I know this claim was invented by the fella writing it, I was simply responding to him and outlining that there is a criteria From what he wrote I was pointing out she was wrong and that following the shariah you have to ascertain how 'islamic' she and the country she represents is. Its far from pouring scorn on her, it was highlighting that it was wrong. If anything it was pouring scorn on the author I was responding to. I quite clearly stated to you 'based on shariah' so how is this MY criteria? The criteria is clearly defined and I have gone to great pains to establish that in writing 'based on shariah' etc. you seem to ignore this FYI shariah is not something that 1 person owns, it either is based on quran, sunnah, sahabah ( a formula I have explained to you before) or it isnt. The most basic and first rule of shariah is that you will judge by what Allah has revealed. No country at present does this and its the first step without which anything after is irrelevant (again this is all based on shariah), its basically as I have said many times a pick and choose method which based on shariah makes it unislamic If you dont believe me read any constitution, I have and they quite clearly are not based on shariah
you made up the bit about me pouring scorn on her and her country as well as the whole dismissing bit not sure what you are trying to say with your second point I have already said all the so called Islamic countries fail in terms of implementing shariah,
bored with religious arguments, if you want shariah law **** off to a country that has it cos we don't want it here. if you choose to live in britain then respect our laws and religions. worship who you want but keep it to youself. i'm more interested in hornette's going rates!!! <grin>
I didn't say that you poured scorn on her or her country. I said that you poured scorn upon her argument because her country wasn't Islamic enough to meet the criteria that you're using, which is entirely accurate. Your initial reply to THFC6061's comment was: "Firstly you have to look at how 'islamic' this woman or the country is". By your criteria, this would be pointless, as no country in the world would pass muster. Any Muslim in a political position making a claim about Islam would attract the same comment, presumably, as none of them are Islamic.
Pouring scorn on her claim because her country's not Islamic enough, yet not allowing any country to meet your criteria, clearly isn't that is what you made up. "Firstly you have to look at how 'islamic' this woman or the country is". Which is correct in both cases, I could be an alcoholic making Islamic claims for all you know so its important to know. The country's constitution is at odds with Islam so that too is important By your criteria, this would be pointless, as no country in the world would pass muster. As explained no country currently does Any Muslim in a political position making a claim about Islam would attract the same comment, presumably, as none of them are Islamic. Not so as I said you have to check how 'Islamic' they are to determine whether they are or not. Non currently seem to be to my knowledge EG is sayeda warsi a muslim if she adheres to and adopts conservative policy? Islamically NO The criteria is shariah that is my point
Except that I didn't make it up. No country meets your criteria, do they? Presumably other Muslims disagree with you about what criteria should be used or they'd use them too. Yet you made no attempt to address how Islamic the woman herself was, instead choosing to focus on the country, which is irrelevant by your own standards, as all countries are equal in this respect. They all fail. Exactly. No political figures in the entire world appear to pass your test. Correct?
Not my test as mentioned continuously, The current governments in so called islamic countries are not Islamic according to shariah Its that simple really
On her claims. You claimed that she was wrong on at least 3 levels, with one of them appearing to be that she or her country weren't Islamic enough. http://www.not606.com/showthread.ph...-women-drive?p=1804410&viewfull=1#post1804410 That's your interpretation of it. Other Muslims appear to disagree, don't they?
QUOTE=PleaseNotPoll;1806736]On her claims. how? You claimed that she was wrong on at least 3 levels, with one of them appearing to be that she or her country weren't Islamic enough. http://www.not606.com/showthread.ph...-women-drive?p=1804410&viewfull=1#post1804410 she was wrong on at least 3 levels, you made the second bit up again. That's your interpretation of it. Other Muslims appear to disagree, don't they?[/QUOTE] how can they disagree? As i have said its not my interpretation its shariah its clear cut I will give you an example, When Benazir Bhutto was PM of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan she was asked how she could hold that position Islamically her response who said we are ruling Islamically. This is the norm when most of the leaders are asked certain questions
