Simple question! Does marrying someone of a different religion/culture make them a ****?That's what we're talking about.No??????????
The use of the word 'honour' is the only way the 2 situations are even remotely similar Fan. You're really reaching with THIS one. The soldier dies, but he voluntarily enters the army knowing that this could easily be the case. And if he is attacked, he is capable of defending himself. A young girl doesn't know she's going to die when she gets with the wrong bloke. She might suspect she'll be in trouble, but not in danger of being strangled by her own dad. Unlike the soldier she is defenceless. Very poor comparison Fan. You're letting your kind devotion to your brethren ruin your logic.
no fan, you are wrong. Not could be. You're not always right. That is why I acknowledged it. however it still doesnt make sense. I would personally still lean towards her not quite being honest in all honesty maybe they're not very strict in many ways? They had been in england for a long time. She used to wear english-style clothing for a start. The issue of 'alien' boyfriends was obviously still pretty old-fashioned. Makes no odds tbh, there are certain things which are no no's, and the situation you described initially is either made up or they are the exception to the rule or plain mentally unstable. This isnt like eating fish as a vegetarian this is like eating beef and mutton but saying I am vegetarian these don't have to be the consequences though do they? Maybe the daughter didn't believe her own family would be so callous as to cast her out based on her picking the wrong bloke? Surely you don't agree with this fan? You always decry racism but this is very racist imo. This isnt about racism and I never mentioned it, thats just assumptions, the issue here was the pregnancy. She would have known what that would entail. Its no different to white women who get kicked out for choosing to be with someone or getting pregnant. Do you not watch Jeremy Kyle? cases like this don't tend to end in violence though do they? Neither did the ones you mentioned did they? She was told to keep away actual murder might be unusual, but i don't think violence and the threat of it are all that uncommon. They are not uncommon in any culture. As I previously said domestic violence centred around affairs etc is massive in this country. Even leading to death/murder due to jealousy etc. Its not specific to sets of people how does it translate do you reckon? 'face'? 'reputation'? It varies depending on context, thats the bugger of foreign languages at times. In this context though the word is deliberately used to signify a set of people. As soonn as people here it they automatically assume muslim Yet it may suprise people that the 'honour' killings have always been most apparent in sikh and hindu communities
Not that simple. Its what some have leant towards yes, however as I have said if you look at what prompted this discussion ie the media reporting The examples used in those were mainly about violence. Most based on cheating partners
I was focussing on the word honour. based on what you and russ had said I think the question was how can it be seen as honour? I was responding to that. If dying for oil and killing innocents is honour (based on russ's arguments) then this is no different IMO How many cases of strangled by dad are there?
Personally I dont think it makes them a **** at all, especially the people from different parts of the world having said that I would want the best for my daughter and might get all meet the parents
If i was ****ing a Pakistani woman my family would maybe laugh at me, but they wouldn`t strangle her and cut up the body..... The laughing and piss taking is probably seen as more of a crime than the killing for honour in the UK now...........
