TBF rushworth had an amazing loan last season, way better then the equivalent of Morton or delap. Rushworth although not needed, was a high quality loan signing
You're claiming that we should have seen a change in performances so far as if that would mean anything. We could have had an inanimate carbon rod in charge and we'd still have Selles coming in to make a change. Dawson's role in improving things is by and large irrelevant. So really not sure what you're on about.
Even this post has prompted someone to get defensive about how we got players in and disparaging the manager from last season. Are people really not able to see a post referencing last season and get wound up about who was in charge?
Cannon turned us down because he wanted a loan move and we wanted him to come on a permanent. Clearly it's true that a lot of players turned us down though. That we got as far down our list as Bedia before a striker would come, with five or six other names known to have rejected us (plus however many there were that didn't become public), was quite damning. Then there are those who did come, but seemed to end up not enjoying it once they were here, like Palmer and Burstow. On the other hand, I think Rushworth probably chose us because of Walter's style of play which was supposed to heavily feature the goalkeeper in possession, though he never actually had chance to use him as it turned out. And Rushworth was a big coup for us, much as people don't like him at the moment. I think it is fair to say that we'll struggle to get proven players in January unless we've already been on a particularly good run by then.
Struggle a bit like we struggled to entice Selles & his assistants? Ok we're in a better place than Reading but if that is the case then he / they could have sat tight waiting for more attractive options to undoubtedly come along?
Yes, fair point. I think attracting players is harder than managers though. With managers it's really a buyer's market, with loads of out of work managers at any one time. Good players will have their pick of clubs and I think, like most January transfer windows, we can only realistically expect to sign punts rather than anyone proven. Last January is about the only one I can ever remember us signing proven quality players. Our league position among other things will have played a big part in that.
I'm hoping Ruben has his sights on some hungry league 1 players with the attributes we need. Ricky Jade Jones from Peterborough would be good. Poku would have been good too but he's injured.
That's it, isn't it? We're in a better place than Reading, and we have probably been sold to him as a long term building project. And 12 isn't close to 96, unless you consider Rosenior to have been the driving force behind the gallant job under Rooney at Derby. I think Liam got a lot of respect from within the game for his time there. Maybe Selles is in a better starting position to Rosenior when he came in. Good. But I'm not the only one to draw similarities in terms of being a young, up and coming coach, similar philosophy, but not necessarily imposing it all from the start to the detriment of results and a supposedly empathic man-management style - which probably won't go down well with some on here.
I'm not sure you can compare trying to entice a PL striker looking for game time to join a club struggling in a relegation battle in the Championship to a League One manager at possibly the worst run club in the country taking a step up to the Championship. If you're suggesting we'll just take Reading's striker, we may well do, but that doesn't mean they'll do well at this level.
Well after reading the last section of posts loads of players turned us down in the summer - yet probably the best young keeperin the Prem was happy to come . We are the ‘worst run club in the division ‘ Owner and directors choices have been poor I’d grant you , but as for running the club I don’t think so . I’ve learnt there are very poor almost despotic business owners but very good mangers keeping the business sane .iI’d like to see the list of 6-8 decent strikers who turned us down because they didn’t fancy us - not because they could be close to their family , totally unacceptable . Happy to accept the facts not the presumptions, assumptions etc
Thats a bit churlish of you. Assante, Conway, Moore, Cannon, and Fofana all opted for moves elsewhere or not joining us. Those decisions will be spun in all sorts of ways which you can take as assumption, but usually it's because of money and not fancying the option. There will be others who turned us down that weren't made as public as the above.
I’d rather be churlish , because on here that’s almost a compliment !LOL Two had very sensible reasons , loan not purchase , two geography for family reasons , an d the only proper prem player in a London squad , so to be honest nothing to do with our terrible club or ownership but totally logical reasons , and money maybe . Why do we want to spin the negative so much ? I said a few months ago - sign of the times excitement from being negative or contradictory it gets more clicks etc . When we play well many less posts than when we play crap . If anyone can list the players we had the option to buy who were not offered enough then that would be a good point , guesses don’t count .
The fact the chairman acknowledged having money to spend but being unable to get in a 6 and a 9 in his defence of Walter tells you the window did not go as planned. I guess we just weren't trying then if no one turned us down? Moore, Assante and the 3 strikers we were allegedly in for on deadline day clearly didn't happen. Ah well. Glad to know everything went swimmingly.
The suggestion was that the targets turned down because we were badly run etc etc , I am sure some did turn us down because they were happy where they were or like the ones mentioned family etc- nobody had proven other wise - so as is I said give us names and facts to support the club criticism . I recignise
I recognise the owner and his team have not chosen well at all , naevety about the division is the cause . We weren’t equipped with strength and mobility like Fulham who he wanted to copy .
My observation was that there seems to have been mismatch between the players we thought we could attract and the players we actually managed to attract in summer and that it was in stark contrast this last window to the last couple of windows under the previous coach. How about you remind me when we last missed out on so many credibly reported forward and midfield options - specifically named in the press as Moore, Assante, Conway, Forfana, Cannon and Meffert perhaps? Or you can just dismiss those reports as heresy and convince yourself we were just as attractive a club to prospective players as we were before our owner went batshit and intentionally committed an act of self harm over the summer.
He's not saying we didn't miss out on players. He's saying the reason WHY isn't as simple as 'because we're a badly run club' or because 'the previous coach had gone'. The whole point being made is that in many cases the players you mention chose better options for them. Meffert is the only one who comes close to fitting the bill you're portraying - but even that was supposedly not down to player choice. Didn't we put a lowball offer in? In which case we'd never even have spoken to him without a bid accepted. Was it Cannon who we wanted on a permanent but he/they only wanted a loan? You talk about dismissing reports as heresy but the detail around each broken down deal at the time detailed 'why' these players didn't come, did they not? I mean, off the top of my head Moore and Assante chose options which meant not having to move and uproot their lives, and having family in those other locations etc. Recruitment was **** overall, but the intent did seem to be there with the names we were linked with. I don't think you can blanket statement our summer transfer activity however with 'because we have a mad owner' or anything else of that ilk.
