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  1. Angelicnumber16

    Angelicnumber16 Well-Known Member

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    Voted Conservative all my life and never thought I’d ever vote for another party

    But I was appalled by the behaviour of Johnson from plain lies to half truths and straying from core conservative values

    I voted Reform in July knowing that it would likely hand victory to the soulless and charmless Starmer and co but it had to be done

    What I’ve witnessed since has been nothing short of incredulous disbelief. After 14 years of opposition you’d have thought it was easyish to consider what most people want

    When Blair came to power on the crest of a wave and the ‘cool Britannia’ message, I wanted to believe he was the real deal, I really did
    That ended in chaos and lies, and ever since it’s been a case of bad followed by even worse every time

    Taxing Uk citizens to excess whilst making nearly all of us poorer and colder won’t win any hearts or minds. This is because none of us get any benefits, it goes to non Brits

    A Government is elected to serve the will of its people and is accountable

    I’ve yet to see any of them that are mindful of that fact!

    The will of the people for any Government right now is to get to grips with what on paper look like easy wins to at least have attempts to try and resolve, and saving us all serious money and making us feel a bit better about ourselves

    Tackle immigration properly even if it means upsetting people, benefit fraud, incompetent policing and a skewed justice system for a start

    Do the effing basics and the population will largely be on your side
     
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  2. Red Robin

    Red Robin Well-Known Member

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    Spot on <applause><applause><applause><applause>
     
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  3. realred1952

    realred1952 Well-Known Member

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    2 tier thinks Lincoln is a city in Lincolnshire! that has a Labour MP
     
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  4. AshtonRed

    AshtonRed Well-Known Member

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    Attacking me is a bit strong I agree, and that comment wasn’t aimed at you.

    I do find it odd you say you’d never vote Labour because they are liars and cheats( I paraphrase), yet are happy to admit you voted Tory despite all their lying and cheating in the last parliament .

    I stated I vote Labour because I feel in general they represent my values of working for the whole rather than individuals, if I felt Labour were straying from this I’d look around for another party more closely aligned to my views. For instance i seriously considered voting for the Greens. Labour have this parliament to persuade me to vote for them again. Yet you still voted Tory despite admitting they did the self same things that stop you voting Labour.
     
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  5. AshtonRed

    AshtonRed Well-Known Member

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    To a point I understand where you’re coming from. However I can see it will take time to see the benefits. If by the end of this Parliament things aren’t starting to improve, and we aren’t seeing improvements then I’ll be the first to criticise. But for now I’m giving them time.
     
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  6. wizered

    wizered Ol' Mucker Staff Member

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    Conservatives were removed via the Election for the very reasons you highlight, no excuses from me, I don't think all Labour people are liars and cheats, far from it but the current leader and most of his merry band of ministers have demonstrated their qualities and values since the Corbyn days (At least he retained his values and didn't u turn),sorry, I thought they were useless and untrustworthy and that has since been proven. they are completely useless and self possessed.

    I voted for the cause I believed in and have no regrets.
     
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  7. AshtonRed

    AshtonRed Well-Known Member

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    Politics is about opinions, politicians of all colours have to be self opinionated and arrogant to a point. They take a lot of flak as well, I wouldn’t want to do it. Everyone if you dig Deep enough has skeletons in their cupboard, even men of god.

    I’m not keen on Starmer tbh, I thought he’d be a temporary leader, just to get them out of the mire left by Corbyn. and if I’m honest I don’t think the Labour Party expected to be winning yet, so weren’t properly prepared.

    But we are where we are. For all our sakes I hope they are successful, because we all up to our eyeballs at the moment.
     
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  8. wizered

    wizered Ol' Mucker Staff Member

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    We are a democracy, the oldest democracy and by that we have a legal labour government, we have 4.5 years, everyone is shouting Reform will save us all, personally I don't think so but if labour and the Conservatives don't change and become more radical, if they don't listen to public opinion but just try to enforce their own Reform will have a great chance and the fireworks will really start, then god only knows.
     
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  9. wizered

    wizered Ol' Mucker Staff Member

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    More lies from the thief..

    On her CV, she claimed to have worked at the Bank of England for 10 years. On investigation, it turned out to be just six.

    When this error emerged, unnamed sources defended Reeves by claiming she had simply "rounded up” her years of service.

    Rounding up six years to 10 is an increase of 66%. That's a lot bigger than 0.78%. Reeves can’t afford to make that kind of slip again.
    https://www.express.co.uk/finance/p...rrifyingly-close-to-disaster-you-pay-if-wrong
     
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  10. Red Robin

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    This has been a orchestrated invasion of the western world by the #wefs and #who

    This has been allowed at the expense of protecting British citizens

     
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    He will be saying different in weeks two tier is a very comfortable liar.
     
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    upload_2024-12-1_12-31-13.png

    In the last four years net migration added more than 2.5 million people to the UK's population. If we look at when Labour was in government, we can see that net migration was also at unprecedented historical levels.

    Why do people come to the UK? Work - GOV.UK

    The majority of these net migration figures are NOT coming to the UK to work now.
     
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  13. Red Alert

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    Two Tiers been making noises on open border experiment immigration so have his ministers but nobody putting a number and how to control it!!. They have got nhs figures black holes to fill money to take off farmers and private schools taxes to raise x amount of ££'s elderly to freeze for ££'s targets for the black hole, but immigration is another thing entirely no number to cut no target!!! Starmers attacked the open border experiment Tories on immigration the numbers are too high but cant put a number on how Labour do different and what wouldnt be too high or low!!!
     
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  14. realred1952

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    RA we have to face the fact 2 tier is like a patient that has been in a coma for 20 years or so and has just come out of it, he is missing 20 years of knowledge! .. in his coma his dreams were always about the best way forward was to attack the opposition by all means available mostly personally and then to try and steal their ideas when they decide not to do them [ but history shows he gets thwarted when they change their minds ] and never to believe that what they were doing was any good or actually the best THING but/and find an alternative that likely might not work but looks good on paper if you dont analyize it! or have money to implement it! can pass the buck to ministers
    and MORE IMPORTANTLY come up with a phrase to state " I keep having to remind myself everything they did is broken and I have to fix it no matter if the cost is detrimental and I dont have to tell tell truth when/ or to answer Q's! "
     
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  15. Red Robin

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    All these illegals need rounding up and dumping back to where they came from-should not be here- undocumented rapists-thieves-killers- the list goes on-our leaders have failed us.
    Taxpayers should not be paying for them.
     
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  16. Angelicnumber16

    Angelicnumber16 Well-Known Member

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    If a bunch of strangers broke into your house on Xmas day, stole all your food and molested your Granddaughter you’d get them arrested and jailed
    There are similarities
     
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  17. Red Alert

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    As 2T reminds everybody the tories are to blame for everything broken but the tories are not in power. labour are there to fix it now CHANGE. Whats the change if you cant describe it ? labour can take off a bit of net migration and its still mass massive migration. change???
     
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    Good job the Inn keeper didn’t take that view all those years ago and kick the couple out and not allow them to use the stable to give birth to baby Jesus :emoticon-0105-wink:
     
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  20. Angelicnumber16

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    Mary & Joseph were genuine refugees <laugh>
     
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