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Match Day Thread Sunderland AFC v West Bromwich Albion - Tuesday 26th November 2024 - KO 20:00

Discussion in 'Sunderland' started by RTB, Nov 24, 2024.

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  1. Home win

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  1. Prehab26

    Prehab26 Well-Known Member

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    Not at all. But I do feel some have a tendency to just keep the red and white specs on and not keep objectivity in scope. It's not unlucky that we have drawn 5 in a row. There are lots of reasons and how we have set up, played and refusal to change the shape or bench is a big part of that.

    We are doing well and I am very pleased with the start however we have lost our spark and momentum.

    Hope we get it back or the promotion party will falter by the time the new year comes round.
     
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  2. smithy in nl

    smithy in nl Well-Known Member

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    Can talk about who you think or I think is better all day, I still think we are doing well and I'm confident we will get promoted.

    we've had loads of injuries and kept on churning points out, in the past we'd of lost them games but we are finding ways now the players are growing and fight for every ball.
     
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  3. Prehab26

    Prehab26 Well-Known Member

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    The culture and fight is a fair point and a good one. It's the young lads are developing but I feel we a 2 or 3 quality players away from getting promoted.
     
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    smithy in nl Well-Known Member

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    That's fair enough and we might get them January either way I think it's gona be a very "interesting" second half of the season.
     
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  5. WorkyTicketFTM

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    Coventry one was tough to take, felt like a loss. Listening to people keep saying “it’s a good point” or “it’s still a point on the board” when we drop points against poor teams is getting tedious. Before you know it we’ll blink and be 5th. Watford have a good run of games in December too, so could even be 6th at Xmas if we don’t get back to winning ways. These are the games that come back and bite you on the arse when you just miss out at the end.
     
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  6. Frazier the Lion

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    It’s mostly the former. He’s not one for throwing on fresh legs in the end stages of a game. I honestly don’t think that will ever see him use all five subs even if we’re completely injury free. he’s very much like Pep in that he doesn’t rotate much and he’s not that bothered about subs
     
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  7. Frazier the Lion

    Frazier the Lion Well-Known Member

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    Not as bad as online Sunderland fans would have you believe
     
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  8. marcusblackcat

    marcusblackcat SAFC Sheriff
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    Step above in what respect? Nobody in the team carries the ball or passes out of defence better than him. So we are struggling for goals and you’d drop our player who is best at that? And also is most experienced. Something the young players need. What message does it send dropping a player who has been close to
    Our best this season?
     
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  9. Prehab26

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    Won't end well with such a young team then. Need to rotate as fatigue just drops performances. Rigg for example has been canny poor for a few games.

    But we don't have a single person who RLB would bring on in place of him or Neil. That's an issue.
     
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  10. WorkyTicketFTM

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    Cost us two points at millwall though. Injury time subs waste time. It never gets added back on properly. Naive and stupid not to make any with a 1 goal lead.
     
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  11. Prehab26

    Prehab26 Well-Known Member

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    I think Ballard and Mepham are PL quality and both will play in that league next year with us or another team.

    I don't see 09 ever been wanted by a PL club. Ballard and Mepham are a step above 09 and will be valued and sought after as such. 09 has done amazing and he has played well. But I would have 09 on the bench and those 2 at the heart of our defence.
     
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  12. Frazier the Lion

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    Rigg was better last night and warranted staying on the pitch. Much more so than recent games anyway. He had Connolly he could’ve brought on for him last night but he chose not to. That’s just the way he is I think. I agree about fresh legs , though. I’d like to see him involve more players
     
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  13. Prehab26

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    That has to happen or burn out and fatigue is going to bite hard. The championship is a beast of a league and absolutely relentless.
     
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    Disappointing last night but credit to West Brom as they were very solid. On another day, or with a cooler head, our lads put one of those (few) chances away and it's a different story.
     
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  15. marcusblackcat

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    See what Reg does. I agree about the defensive qualities of Ballard and Meehan absolutely. But neither of them can play the football O’Nien does. Neither can pass like him or move the ball forward like him. And if we rely on Patterson and Neil doing that I think we’ll go backwards. As I say, 2 best defenders doesn’t mean 2 best players for the team. I thought O’Nien was superb at right back last night.
     
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  16. Brainy Dose

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    Seasons in this division can be very cyclical. Teams like Burnley,Boro,Norwich had indifferent starts,now looking better.They'll have a stuttering point again at some time.We had a great start,now dropped off a bit,but we'll come back into winning ways soon.No-one keeps momentum going good or bad forever in this league.
    Last night WBA had little or no ambition and we were hardly threatened.If we can improve our final third creativity and get our injured players back.....Cirkin,Connolly and Mundle...I'm optimistic.
     
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    He was good I agree. But Hume is a better fullback and the other 2 are better centre backs. So for me, he drops to the bench. I think he will on Friday, if everyone is fit.
     
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  18. MadMackem77

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    Didn’t say much last night because I wanted to avoid an overreaction

    Thought we did everything right until the ball got out wide. It’s a hard game to create anything in the middle of the pitch due to WBA setup, so we were forced wide but our wingers were wasteful. I don’t see any scenario where my winger should complete 55/58 passes in a game. He made more passes than Rigg, Bellingham and Neil.

    I love PR but we really need an affective RW.

    Chance creation is a problem. It’s evident. Not to be like everyone else but I’m hoping this isn’t down to the appointment of Pedro Ribeiro. Since he’s came in we’ve made significantly less chances and have been more cautious. Which yes, the defence is solid. I don’t mind it. But we’ve got to have a balance.

    anyway that’s my only worry coming out of this run. 3 0-0s a 2-2 with 2 worldies and a 1-1 with a worldie. We need to get service to Isidor
     
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  19. Frazier the Lion

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    I guess the thing that we can never know is how often that reluctance to change things has gained us points. There’s been a fair few occasions this season where the starting 11 have worked things out mid game and gone on to get us three points. And that’s before we consider that the long-term benefits of players being able to recognise game situations and apply that learning further on down the line. It’s definitely a balance point though. We have to be very careful about burnout later in the season.
     
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  20. MadMackem77

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    Also of course it’s very difficult to break down a team playing like that. Specifically a good team. They’ve got good defenders, midfielders. It wasn’t like a low end team sitting back.

    I’ve got a feeling we’ll win at Sheffield but if not I think we’ll see us create more because there’s no way they sit back against us
     
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