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Match Day Thread Luton v Hull City

Discussion in 'Hull City' started by Chazz Rheinhold, Nov 12, 2024.

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  1. John Ex Aberdeen now E.R.

    John Ex Aberdeen now E.R. Well-Known Member

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    You're right I forgot that, what I was really try to emphasize was ball into feet, crafting goals with one - two's, or the like.
     
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  2. Top_Tiger

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    Been my point for weeks. Crazy. Out goalkeeper makes more passes than our 3 midfielders put together.
     
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  3. originallambrettaman

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    Hughes and Kamara are both good players, absolutely capable of playing at this level, they’re the least of our problems.
     
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  4. SydneyTiger14

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    Kamara has really impressed me in his last three games. He's one of the least of our issues.
     
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  5. Chazz Rheinhold

    Chazz Rheinhold Well-Known Member

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    Was acun at the game?
     
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  6. AlRawdah

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    Tim Walter must read the room as Hull City worries grow after Luton Town loss
    City slumped to another defeat - their seventh of a dismal campaign so far
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    Joao Pedro missed a couple of glorious chances at Luton(Image: Richard Pelham/Getty Images)

    It was the same old story for Hull City and beleagured head coach Tim Walter on Saturday after suffering a 1-0 defeat at Luton Town who leapfrogged them to leave the Tigers back in the relegation zone.

    A first half Mark McGuinness strike from one of Luton's ten corners was enough to seal all three points, though City were deserving of something from a game they dominated, and passed up two gilt-edged chances through Joao Pedro, one in each half.

    The result leaves City 22nd in the Championship with 15 points from their 16 games and a run of eight games without victory, and Walter yet again heckled by the away supporters, who are becoming increasingly fed up, and worried about their team's slide back down the table.

    Here, Tigers reporter Barry Cooper tries to make sense of a third straight Championship loss....

    There were reasons for optimism, to a point
    Make no mistake about it, City were worthy of something from a game in which they dominated. Luton offered very little, but once they grasped the lead in the first half, they were able to hang on and grit it out, a trait fans would love to see from the Tigers. For all their dominance, Walter's men still struggled to fashion clear openings, bar the two for Joao Pedro, which he should have buried.

    It took until Kasey Palmer's effort in the 75th minute for them to have a shot on target, so for all that dominance, Thomas Kaminski was still a relative bystander until the closing stages, and that's not good enough.

    They got into plenty of good areas only for the final decision to let them down and cost them the chance of a goal, and that will be down to a lack of confidence over quality, I suspect.

    It was good to see them mix it up a bit, and try to play a bit longer at times when needed, rather then endless reams of pointless passes between their goalkeeper and two central defenders, and perhaps that's the way to operate moving forward because it did bring them some joy.

    Read the room, Tim
    It's probably fair to say Tim Walter and Hull City's supporters have not really bonded since his arrival in July with the relationship becoming increasingly strained in recent weeks. His comments after the Portsmouth draw didn't go down at all well, and since then, City have lost all three games with those supporters calling on him to leave, probably most vociferously at Oxford United.

    Suggesting he didn't go over to the supporters at Kenilworth Road to applaud their excellent backing because he was wet will not do him any more favours with a fanbase who are clamouring for his exit. That's the second away game where he's been jeered off the pitch by the away fans, and citing the weather as a reason is poor form and shows a lack of respect for the people you should be trying to get on side and are the lifeblood of the football club.

    Those same fans will have given up a whole day, some will have taken time off work and paid an awful lot of money to travel to Bedfordshire and stand in the cold and wet, and watch their side beaten, again. The least he should have done was made the effort to go and thank them, like the majority of his players did, and they were warmly recieved.

    Fans are also concerned about the trajectory the season is taking on, and rightly so. Sitting 22nd in the league after 16 games is enough reason to be concerned about how things are going, so to suggest there's no worry from the manager is missing the point. Yes, he will want to portray a calm persona, but you cannot be blind or naive about the current predicamentand just brush it off as unimportant.

    Paying for their shortcomings
    Yet again, City are paying for their inabooty to sign a proven forward in January. Joao Pedro has shown some promise since coming in, scoring a couple of good goals and getting into some useful positions. At Kenilworth Road, he missed two sitters which would have seen his team win the game, and that can happen.

    The issue here is, City are basically relying on a 32-year-old free transfer to score the goals to get them out of trouble, and that's a problem they shoudn't be in.

    Over the last few years, the Tigers have shown their capability to make some very good signings, and they did that at points during the summer just gone, but ultimately, the failure to sign a frontman of real quality is costing them a big, big way.

    It's a relegation battle
    This wasn't a bad performance by any stretch, certainly compared to some we've seen this season, but it was the same old story. They dominated the ball, created some openings, couldn't take them and then, at the other end, a lapse in concentration decided the game.

    I said in these notes before that City have all the hallmarks of a team in trouble, one that plays OK in parts but continually comes away with nothing, and that's not changing.

    In any game, when that moment comes, it has to be taken and for Joao Pedro, he had two glorious chances - one in each half - and was unable to hit the target with either, and that was hugely costly. City are back in the bottom three, and not for the first time this season. The table doesn't make for good reading, and it may well get worse before it gets better.

    There needs to be some realisation from the manager that City are in a difficult predicament and simpl saying it'll get better isn't enough.

    Wednesday on Tuesday looms large
    City must now turn their attention to the visit of Sheffield Wednesday on Tuesday night, and with just four home games left in 2024, it's high time the Tigers gave their fans some home cheer. Just three wins at home (in 20 games) in the calendar year is an absolute disgrace, and it's no wonder the supporters have become tired and fed up. If you were paying a good amount of money, giving up your time to travel to watch your team play, and they churn out some of the dross they have this year, you can understand why they booed the results against Portsmouth and West Brom.

    Watching City at home this year has been an abject chore, and to be frank, we're done with the excuses, the mitigation and any such other reason as to why they've been so poor, it's now about doing. Go out there, play better and win the game. Walter has already been embarrassed by Danny Rohl this season, when his reserve team beat City in the Carabao Cup, so he and his players must respond.

    Wednesday are nothing special, they're absolutely beatable and anything less than three points will not be good enough, it's as simple as that, particulalry after three straight defeats and no win in eight games.
     
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  7. AlRawdah

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    Bit more measured from Cooper here, think he’s maybe reading the whole room a bit better rather than just the shoutiest voices.
     
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  8. Chazz Rheinhold

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    Inabooty arf
     
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  9. Top_Tiger

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    I don’t know when it will happen. The later he does sack him the more trouble we are in. We need a Warnock type till the end of the season.
     
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  10. Saigont

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    Many believe Tim Walter is not a Manager – in the best sense of the term.

    “Suggesting he didn't go over to the supporters at Kenilworth Road to applaud their excellent backing because he was wet” – highlights he is not a man – in the sense he doesn’t have a pair!
     
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  11. bradymk2

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    Walter deserves sacking for saying he was too wet alone

    Absolute ****
     
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  12. Top_Tiger

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    Is there a sound bite for this?
     
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  13. Godrevy Buoy

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    Hasn’t Wally got a Brolly ! Oh wait …..
     
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  14. Saigont

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    I suspect the later (not having a pair) will bring on his downfall more quickly than his football management shortcomings. Every manager makes mistakes / misjudgements. His lack of respect and his inability to understand and show the simplest of courtesies to even the most loyal of fans however is inexcusable.

    .. and with the emphasis that Acun has placed on; good owner / fan relationships, this must be a big slap in the face for him personally.

    My guess is Accun has been looking for a replacement manager and will continue to delay the sacking until that replacement looks secure.
     
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  15. Chazz Rheinhold

    Chazz Rheinhold Well-Known Member

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    Weren’t they booing him and singing sacked in the mornjng?
    Ye he should go over

    he’s a dead man walking is there any real need for all the abuse
     
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  16. Summerof69

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    The system is far too rigid and although he has made some minor tweaks (a few more long passes), it’s not enough to make any significant difference. The players look like they feel shackled by having to play in such a restrictive way and I can’t wait to see how we perform when they are allowed to play in a more conventional style.
     
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  17. PLT

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    Yeah I don't really get the desire to see him go over to the fans when we all know the reason he doesn't is that he'd just get booed relentlessly and told to **** off. It's clearly for the best under the circumstances that he doesn't, and so he gave a resigned clap from distance to try and not look disinterested or arrogant. I don't think he could handle that situation much better.
     
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  18. Plum

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    TW's backed himself into a corner with his persistence in sticking to a style that clearly isn't working. Even if he wanted to he probably can't change without getting on the wrong side of Acun who employed him to play it like that. He's stuck between a rock and a hard place. He needs to be put out of his misery and I do wonder if Acun's waiting and hoping he'll walk.
     
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  19. Saigont

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    Hi Chazz.

    The problem is; its all about him – little Timmy. My system the one that others can’t copy, my wetness, my feelings ….

    “The fans” is not a completely homogeneous group not all would have been booing (but I accept that the vociferous majority would have been). The fans were showing support for the team and as the manager he should be able to show appreciation for that.

    A manager without the man – he’s an ager. And he’s rapidly aging the fan base.
     
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  20. Newland Tiger

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    The owner appointed the manager , he's got to take some responsibility for that decision
    I agree regarding yesterday but I think trying to build a decent relationship with fans is an easy win for a manager

    For whatever reason Walter hasn't really done that , maybe it's just his style , but the result is that now when things
    are going badly he doesn't have that extra bit of goodwill from the fans , they're quicker to turn on him
     
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