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WAR! What is it good for?

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  1. Makemstine Roger

    Makemstine Roger Well-Known Member

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    Palestinians have already refused a 2 state solution they want it all and the Jews gone
    there was never a Palestine..... Jerusalem in Judea belongs to the Jews, to say it belongs Palestinians is untrue it never did they have a claim, the Jews let them occupy it for peace
     
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  2. PINKIE

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    Not true either. The Oslo accords collapsed due to right wing Israelis and Hamas.

    And to say that there has never been a Palestine is again, to completely overlook the historical context of the region

    Like I said, your account is a gross over simplification.
     
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  3. Makemstine Roger

    Makemstine Roger Well-Known Member

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    It was BlackRock who the Trump sniper worked for, and was killed by Secret Service snipers, As Trump prides himself on no wars and will prove it in 6 months
     
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  4. Makemstine Roger

    Makemstine Roger Well-Known Member

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    show me a map with Palestine on it I can show Judea

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  5. PINKIE

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    Anyway, this is going to go round in circles endlessly

    The history of the region means you can never really have any particular interest laying absolute claim to any of it.

    What you have now is Palestinians and Israelis, and somehow you have to find an equitable solution for both of them.
     
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    Okay you're down that rabbit hole too lol

    Trump might end the war by making Ukraine surrender, but is that a solution for Ukrainians ?
     
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  8. Makemstine Roger

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    but a good thing to stop more bloodshed if the both agree
     
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    Seriously? That's from the Bible ffs.
     
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    I see.
     
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  11. Makemstine Roger

    Makemstine Roger Well-Known Member

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    there was never a Palestine as proven, It's what Romans called wandering Arab tribes
     
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    If they agree yes. And I think Ukraine are going to have to concede some territory. Crimea is gone, and possibly the Donbas.

    I guess like most of these things, the devil will be in the detail. Zelensky is talking about a negotiated settlement now, so maybe a road to peace is on the horizon.
     
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  13. Makemstine Roger

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    well i didnt make it go online its easy to download now show me one of fairyland Palestine
     
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    Yeah but that's just semantics, there are maps of Palestine, which encompass the whole area, with its various ethic make up. And that map is constantly changing throughout history.

    What we have now, is Palestinian occupied territory and a need to find an equitable solution.

    Also, it was the Greeks, not the Romans named Palestine 'Philistia'
     
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    This is point really. The map of Palestine is constantly shifting.

    At one point, it encompassed the entire area, with all of the various ethnic groups within it.

    Roger is looking for a definitive modern nation state map of Palestine, which of course doesn't exist.
     
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  16. Makemstine Roger

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    Wrong again mate there is no map, the nearest to it is ancient tribes the Philistines who occupied Lebanon and part of what is Judea modern maps will show Palestine from 1988, but it is still owned by the Israelis and as they broke the agreement by constantly attacking them they will let the rest of the world have them if they keep being belligerent

    1988

    In 1988 the Palestine National Council meeting in Algiers proclaimed the establishment of the State of Palestine. Read more here and here. The Security Council demanded Israel withdraw its forces “forthwith and unconditionally” from Lebanon up to its internationally recognized boundaries.
     
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    oh yes it does after 1988 ,however the Palestinians declare war again as soon as they thought they had a state which broke the agreement
     
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    This is what I mean about maps.

    I can pull out two maps of Palestine, one from the Old Testament and one from 1946 and they both show that Israel doesn't exist.

    Does that mean that Israel (or the land we now call Israel) has never existed ? Of course not.

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    Palestinian territories rather than nation state, but point taken
     
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  20. Makemstine Roger

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    they romans kicked them out on the first map
     
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