He played half the games (19) and let in 14 goals.) Doesn't matter what he did after he left us, that has no bearing on how he played his part in getting us to a CL final. It's a rewriting of history imo.
There is a perception that Karius was a slightly calamitous keeper in some peoples minds.He wasn't, he was pretty good. I can understand the bitter feelings of losing a European cup final in such circumstances though. You can find yourself looking for scapegoats, we've all done it from time to time.
Well let's be honest, he wouldn't make it into a top 10 Liverpool goalkeepers list but the CL final has clouded some people's opinions.
Ahem. Barely decent. Remember spurs 2-2 Look we put him in off the bench after mingolet messed up again. 4-3 v city 2-2 v spurs palmed one out for a great shot to score. Easier hold it. Cl played v Seville 3-3 and 2-2 rest of group was piss easy. Porto fell apart against us 5-0. Then we played city in an epic of high-density. Roma 5-2 and 2-4. So we were lfc and we had a decent side. Mane, firmino, salah, wijnaldum, Robertson, Henderson, trent, van dijk. We had 10 clean sheets and he conceded 14 in 9 games in the league. When the better teams turned up we were not so hot. Yeah he was half decent for a little it but its a failed career after getting a huge chance and a knock back.
Corrected that for you. It was 19 games not 9. As for not turning up for the better teams (with Karius in goal) we beat Arsenal 4-0, city 4-3, Brighton 4-0 - were Brighton any good then? As for the CL games, beating city 3-0 and 2-1 was epic. Nobody thought we'd thrash them like that. When all's said and done, he did a really good job for us in that season. Downplaying it now is just a bit silly.
No it was 10 clean sheets and then 14 conceded in 9. And you may recall I called him a dodgy keeper from the very start and nothing that happened surprised me. He did ok but only OK. I can recall thr ball bouncing off him and his lack of aerial prowess but in general terms it didn't hurt that much because the team was decent One player in goal doesn't beat city 3-0 BTW. We absolutely dominated them with intensity all over the park.
First bolded bit - 10 clean sheets in consecutive games and then conceded 14 in the next 9 games? Not true. Second bolded bit -
No. Just no. Never said that, never mentioned consecutive. If you want to be pedantic about it then I'll dig my heels in and say you are completely inventing history amd he sat on the goal line quaking in his boots while others carried him through games. I was giving him a "he done ok" don't force me to go full lovern on this.
Although you’re technically not wrong, it’s not how that stat is measured. Does it really matter if you concede 1 goal every game and concede 38 in 38. Compared to keeping 19 clean sheets and conceding 2 in each of the other 19 games? Grand scheme, points is what’s important so I’d rather keeper keep 4 clean sheets in 1-0 wins and then concede 4 in a 5-4 win than concede 4 in 5 games and draw 4 of them 1-1 and win the other 1-0. Otherwise you’d do similar for a forward and just comes out odd. x scored 20 goals in 38 games - good. x scored 20 goals in 10 games - incredible x scored 0 goals in 28 games - ****.
As Astro used to say, doing a Lukaku to pad your stats doesn’t help the team. Scoring the 4th in a 4-0 win means nothing in context other than GD. Similar with keeper. Conceding 2 or 3 in a 4-2/4-3 win isn’t that important points wise. But keeping a clean sheet in 1-0 win or only conceding 1 in a 2-1 win very important.
He wasn't calamitous, and he was by no means the only reason we lost the final. That period leading up to the final was probably his best run of form for us, and while he did a job he never completely convinced that he was good enough to be our long-term number one. The final was an unfortunate and ill-fitting last game for us.
Right - I've been out all night and have only skimmed what was said, but... I refute the suggestion that it was scapegoating or rewriting history or whatever other suggestions were made, in my own case at least. I wasn't overly impressed by Karius even before he joined us, and voiced my reservations at the time. But, I was willing to be supportive in the same way that I am for all our players until it's no longer reasonable. Regardless of stats, I was never convinced by him (everybody says stats are useless - until they say what they want them to say) and yes, the CL final was the final nail in the coffin, but my judgement is by no means based solely on that game. Klopp dropped him in his first year, and of course once Ali was signed he was never going to get a look in again. He's a human being and deserves to be treated respectfully, I'm sure he did his best but I never felt he was the answer to our problems. I expressed sympathy at the time of the CL final. If the concussion issue really was the cause then that's a great shame for the guy, but it was by no means his only issue before or since. Even his Wikipedia page is largely a list of his mistakes.
We should have kept Pepe Reina instead of signing Karius. Though Pepe Reina has his own shortcomings too, I think he is better than Karius.
Did you miss the ? after my first statement? It was put there for you to clarify if that was what you meant because that's how it read. Can you explain to me then what you did mean by this "No it was 10 clean sheets and then 14 conceded in 9".
