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Off Topic 2024 cricket season - with new zealand v england tests

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  1. Plum

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    Good game, NZ into the final by 8 runs.
     
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    despite the huge 356 first-innings deficit, india are refusing to give up against new zealand. india currently 344/3, just 12 runs behind. day 4 session 1 in play.
     
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    forthcoming stat alert!

    india are, as i write,on 432/4. this is already over nine times as many as their first innings. with 6 wickets remaining, they have the time and wickets to add another hundred or two.

    i've been looking at the list of lowest test totals to see what the biggest increase of innings has been (and, while i'm about it, the biggest decrease).cricinfo lists low scores to a maximum of 80 and i've a few dozen more to check out, which i'll do later today.

    for the time being, i'll tell you that the biggest increase so far has been a 1200% increase, or 13 times as many, when south africa once followed a first innings of 30 with second innings of 390. in order for india to beat that increase, they will need to score more than 598. it is not looking impossible, though not helped by the fourth wicket fall of their only centurion - so far - of this innings. on checking the current score, i see pant has just ended his innings on 99. that makes the 598 look rather less likely.
     
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    India 6 down now, 82 ahead. Bit of a mini collapse.
     
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    india followed their 46 with 462, just over ten times as many.

    anyway, here's the nonsense i promised earlier.


    this post is a look, as threatened in an early post in this thread, at feeble test innings totals in relation to the other innings by the transgressing teams.

    it was prompted by the discrepancy between india's two innings totals in the current test match against new zealand. the aim is to add some historical data from other tests in which low totals were made.

    the link below lists 116 instances of test teams scoring 80 or fewer runs in a completed innings. several of the low totals occurred in matches that included other low totals, either by the same team or the opposing team.
    the data in this post is from cricinfo, based on this page:
    https://www.espncricinfo.com/records/lowest-innings-totals-145832
    in all cases retrieving other scores in the relevant matches from the link in the final column.

    note: in some instances a team's second innings had not reached an all-out stage, either due to match time finishing or the batting team winning. in most cases, teams making the low score lost, but by no means in all cases.


    ***** for more details on any of the matches, the link will allow quick access to the scorecards. *****


    === scores range and instances ===
    20-29 1
    30-39 7
    40-49 16
    50-59 20
    60-69 25
    70-79 41
    80......6

    total 116 instances.

    there have been seven matches in which a team contributed two of the 116 sub-81 totals to the list. the most feeble of these came when south africa made 36 & 45 in a match. on another occasion, south africa made 47 & 43. new zealand achieved the third and final instance of the two feeble totals adding up to below 100, with 42 & 54.

    === eleven lowest innings totals ===
    26 new zealand v england 1955
    30 south africa v england 1896
    30 south africa v england 1924
    35 south africa v england 1899
    36 south africa v australia 1932
    36 australia v england 1902
    36 india v australia 2020
    38 ireland v england 2019
    42 new zealand v australia 1946
    42 australia v england 1888
    42 india v england 1974

    lowest by other teams: bangladesh 43, england 45, west indies 47, pakistan 49, sri lanka 71.

    === highest differences (275+) between innings totals ===
    426 south africa 506 80
    416 india 46 462 *** this month ***
    400 england 75 475
    360 south africa 30 390
    295 england 67 362/9 (england won)
    294 australia 53 347
    282 england 328 46
    277 new zealand 353 76

    # there will have been other differences above 275 in matches with no innings totals of 80 or fewer

    === biggest increases from first to second innings (240+) ===
    416 india 46 462 *** record set by india this month ***
    400 england 75 475
    360 south africa 30 390
    295 england 67 362/9 (england won)
    294 australia 53 347
    262 england 58 320
    261 australia 75 336/5 (australia won)
    252 india 76 328
    252 india 75 327
    244 australia 80 324

    # there will have been other differences above 244 in matches with no innings totals of 80 or fewer.

    === biggest decreases from first to second innings (240+) ===
    426 south africa 506 80
    282 england 328 46
    277 new zealand 353 76
    272 new zealand 339 67
    267 england 318 51
    264 west indies 311 47
    264 india 331 67
    260 india 302 42
    255 england 327 72
    246 england 325 79
    245 bangladesh 298 53

    # there will have been other differences above 245 in matches with no innings totals of 80 or fewer.


    note: the next few lists concern the changes in innings totals as ratios. worth pointing out for those with superstitious leanings that the two most extreme examples are as follows; the biggest drop as a ratio happened when new zealand followed a 200 by scoring just 26, making the second innings total precisely 13% of the first innings total. the biggest ratio for a second innings increase occurred when south africa followed their first innings total of 30 with a second innings total of 390 - exactly 13 times as many.

    === smallest second innings totals as %age of first innings totals ===
    13.00 new zealand 200 26
    13.91 india 302 42
    14.02 england 328 46
    14.75 india 244 36
    15.11 west indies 311 47
    15.81 south africa 506 80
    16.04 england 318 51
    16.55 australia 284 47
    17.79 bangladesh 298 53
    18.36 ireland 207 38
    19.76 new zealand 339 67
    19.77 south africa 177 35

    # there will have been other similar figures in matches with no innings totals of 80 or fewer.

    === biggest second innings totals as %age of first innings totals ===
    1300.00 south africa 30 390
    1004.35 india 46 462 *** this month ***
    654.72 australia 53 347
    633.33 england 75 475
    611.11 new zealand 45 275
    551.72 england 58 320
    546.94 pakistan 49 268
    540.30 england 67 362/9 (england won)
    490.74 zimbabwe 54 265
    482.26 bangladesh 62 299

    # there will have been other similar figures in matches with no innings totals of 80 or fewer.

    === numbers of sub-81 totals by team ===
    (clearly some teams have played far more games than others and have been test teams for longer)
    23 england
    20 australia
    17 new zealand
    15 south africa
    10 india
    9 west indies
    9 pakistan
    6 zimbabwe
    4 bangladesh
    2 sri lanka
    1 ireland

    *** it is possible that there might be the odd error in the data ***

    the original list of data, should anyone need to see it:

    nz 200 26
    sa 93 30
    sa 30 390
    sa 177 35
    sa 36 45
    aus 36 45/2
    ind 244 36
    ire 207 38
    nz 42 54
    aus 42 82
    ind 302 42
    sa 47 43
    bng 43 144
    aus 145 44
    eng 45 184 won
    nz 45 275
    ind 46 462
    eng 328 46
    nz 47 74
    wi 311 47
    aus 284 47
    pak 49 268
    eng 318 51
    zim 51 143
    win 167 51
    eng 52 188
    eng 53 62
    win 248 53
    pak 59 53
    bng 298 53
    aus 53 347
    zim 54 265
    win 267 54
    sa 55 176
    ind 58 98
    sa 58 217
    ind 58 82
    eng 58 320
    aus 234 58
    zim 59 99
    aus 116 60 won
    aus 60 253
    eng 61 101
    win 172 61
    eng 61 175
    nz 62 167
    bng 62 299
    pak 62 256
    aus 63 122 won
    zim 236 63
    eng 215 64
    nz 65 254
    eng 65 72
    aus 111 65
    ind 100 66
    aus 122 66
    nz 67 129
    nz 339 67
    ind 331 67
    eng 67 362/9 won
    aus 68 149
    zim 68 121
    eng 185 68
    nz 207 68
    nz 70 69/6
    aus 81 70
    eng 71 126
    sri 71 234
    sa 205 72
    sa 215 72
    pak 72 296
    eng 327 72
    pak 179 72
    nz 73 246
    sa 126 73
    sri 279 73
    nz 74 208
    aus 74 151
    pak 74 147
    sa 110 75
    eng 75 475 won
    aus 75 336/5 won
    ind 75 327
    eng 76 162 won
    win 76 172
    nz 353 76
    aus 76 228
    ind 76 328
    win 145 77
    pak 131 77
    eng 77 266/4
    win 214 77
    eng 101 77
    eng 77 246
    eng 269 77
    ind 78 278
    win 78 213
    aus 78 127/4
    nz 79 188
    nz 175 79
    zim 236 79
    sa 79 185
    eng 325 79
    aus 80 100
    aus 80 187
    sa 506 80
    aus 80 324
    pak 182 80
    bng 217 80

    the ones noted as having won do not comprise an exhaustive list.
     
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    nz by 8 wickets.
     
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    Angry quote from Zak Crawley, 'I'm no man's bunny'...

    Eng 15-2, still 60-odd behind.
     
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    Now 20-3
     
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    Three down now.

    Still 57 behind.

    It's Yorkshire or failure now.
     
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    Dear me. Hope this isn't a sign of another disappointing sporting weekend ahead...
     
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    If they bat like they have recently it will be. We scored 800 by batting correctly. Albeit in a flat one. Bazball doesn’t work on spinning pitches, infact England don’t work on spinning pitches.
     
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    well, what an absolute anti-climax party squelcher that was.

    match 1 win while scoring 823 runs in one innings
    matches 2 and 3 lose both while scoring 814 runs in four innings.
     
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    Shambolic display really, you'd almost think they weren't taking it seriously, but I don't want to believe that. Need to sort out batting against spin though, can't blame the pitch this time.
    Oh, and well done Pakistan!
     
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    Pakistan prepared two tracks which played to their strengths and gave them a massive advantage, which they're perfectly entitled to do.

    The issue is that we didn't adapt our play to the circumstances. We play Bazball and we won't change for any reason. It's a foolish, blinkered approach.

    Good job our football team doesn't have the same attitude, innit.
     
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    have to admit though that it's impressive that their two main spinners took 39 wickets in two games. in view of that it's perhaps surprising that pakistan have spent so many decades relying on pace bowlers instead of following india's example.
     
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    There comes a time when tough questions must be asked.....and under Bazball whilst there has been a lot of entertainment, our actual test record has been pretty ****.....anything but a flat pitch and trying to smash the cover off the ball is just nuts, no temperament to play spin at all either. We've been handing out caps like fkn confetti in 'preparation for the Ashes' and the captain and vice captain haven't contributed for a loooong time. Coach, capt and vice should all be looked at for me.
     
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    in india in the domestic ranji trophy tournament.

    in the game against kerala, haryana fast bowler anshul kamboj took ten wickets in kerala's first innings. kerala still managed 291.

    he ended with figures of 10 for 49 off 30.1 overs including 9 maidens.

    he is the third player to take ten in an innings in the ranji trophy and the 6th indian to take 10 in an innings.

    the game rather petered out into a draw after that, with only 239 overs bowled, it looks like time was lost to bad weather.



    there's another interesting snippet due from somewhere, but i can't find it. a rather large batting partnership. watch this space.
     
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    right, found it, but it may not be first class.

    looks like a seriously mismatched cup game.

    Arunachal vs Goa, Plate Group at Porvorim, Ranji Trophy Plate, Nov 13 2024

    arunachal pradesh 1st inns: 84 all out, 30.3 overs (arjun tendulkar son of ex-yorkshire player, 5 for 25)

    goa 1st inns: 727/2 dec off 92 overs (run rate 7.90)

    goa's third wicket pair put on an undefeated 606 (18 short of the first class record) with kashyap bakle 300no of 269 deliveries and snehal kauthankar 314no off 215.
    they put on 606 from 74.4 overs (424 deliveries). so two players getting triple hundreds in one innings. might be unique. even when sri lanka set the record partnership at 624 only one of them reached 300.

    arunachal pradesh 2nd inns: 92, 22.3 overs

    goa won by an innings and 551 runs

    if i find that this was 1st class, i'll edit the post. the 606 is not (yet?) registered on cricinfo's list of the biggest partnerships.




    https://www.espncricinfo.com/series...al-pradesh-plate-group-1445969/full-scorecard
     
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    meanwhile, i've discovered a player in a hurry.

    agni chopra was born in detroit in november 1998. he joined mizoram in india late in 2023 and made his first-class debut in january this year at the slightly late age of 25..

    he scored centuries in his first four first class matches. nobody has done that before.
    in fact, in those four games he scored five hundreds and a 92
    at 111.80 runs per 100 deliveries
    for an average of 95.87

    he's now played 11 first class games
    he has played 20 innings, including one not out
    he has 9 hundreds and 5 fifties.
    his top score is 238no
    it was the second time he'd scored two hundreds in a game
    his next score was 218
    he's scored 1804 runs
    his average has dropped to a mere 94.94
    at a rate of 95.14


    https://www.espncricinfo.com/cricketers/agni-chopra-1403162
     
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    oddly, despite an article about this game on cricinfo in which the game is specifically mentioned as being first-class, the 606 partnership has not yet been included in the list of the biggest first class partnerships.

    the article did clear one thing up in an interesting way. i mentioned that two goa players had scored triple centuries in the goa innnings and wondered if this has happened before. it turns out this is the second time an innings has included two players reaching 300. the previous occasion was against goa.

    it's in here:
    https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/...ndreds-in-the-same-innings-ask-steven-1460148

    in the game where goa had two 300s scored against them, it was in 1989 andtamil nadu rather pointlessly spent more than two days of a three-day match amassing 912/6dec in 191.2overs. all eleven goa players bowled. goa scored 230/6 in reply.
     
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