Yeah probably daft to a point, but I suppose they didn’t think the ‘rules’ were going to suddenly be retroactively rewritten to make something completely normalised bad overnight. Whether it was foreseeable is another matter, but to a point I don’t think it matters what you do with Trump, if you cut out everything he could weaponise you would have nothing left.
The best part of this is he had the Maccies shut for the day and all the people he served were actors!
Oh FFS. He wasn't shot because he was black. He was shot because he shot someone himself and then decided to try and ram his way out of a police blockade rather than surrender. The black community are making lives harder for themselves by making a martyr out of Kaba. Chris Kaba: Black Londoners traumatised, community leaders say - BBC News
Steve Reed putting the record straight on BBC Breakfast after being grilled about it isn’t “sweeping it under the carpet”. And Os, the difference with Farage is that he is a sitting MP, who is paid to represent his constituents in Clacton, something he has signally failed to do since his election.
I saw this article. It is the very worst of identity politics, sadly. There is a genuine issue here which is being made a mockery of by attempts to turn a violent criminal into a martyr. The guy saying a family has lost their son / dad is a bit ironic as this guy had killed someone just days earlier. It would be far more accurate to say: black community which has been traumatised by institutional racism in the past can't help lacking trust in UK institutions. Can we just say, also, that 150 people at a vigil is a relatively small response - so we can tell that this has not made the waves in the black community that the press seems to want to stir up. I am personally tired of race politics. We are all British. But I do respect it is easier for me to be white British than it is for other groups.
I was more talking about being swept under the carpet on here. I'm not saying Labour have reached Tory levels of corruption and ****housery - it's not remotely compareable. But it's important that they should be scrutinised for their actions as a new government.
Private Eye and HIGNFY on it with some satire and humour along with the dregs of the tory press with lies distortion and misinformation.
The bit I don't understand is when Kaba was shooting people in a packed nightclub (and the demographics of that club from the CCTV was 99% Black) the only people he was hurting were other Black people. When he committed GBH stabbing someone at 13, what colour was his victim? What about the first time he was jailed for firearms offences, who was he hurting? Which by the way, if he had served his full sentence would have had him nicely away in a jail cell and he'd still be alive. What about his partner, who when pregnant with his baby had a domestic violence protection order put in place preventing him from being near her? Do Black babies lives not matter? Why lionize someone seriously hurting your community? What the actual ****? There needs to be a really honest and forthright conversation between certain communities, however it's going to be really difficult with **** stirring politicians and pressure groups as well as a totally irresponsible hack media. I'm not Black so its probably easy for me to say, but I do think the Met is it's own worst enemy. There needs to be a conversation with the public which needs to make very clear that you can't opt out of being policed. You can't opt out of a criminal justice system and most of all a really easy way to avoid contact with the police, positive or negative, is to avoid crime. There needs to be education in schools about what Police in England and Wales can do, not bullshit information they've gained from American films. I'm not suggesting that the police make tactics public, but a full explanation of the law would be really helpful. As a final note, I'm really pleased the Great British public don't know much about guns because that's a positive for society but if I see one more suggestion about "shooting the tyres" or shooting the weapon out of hands I'm going to scream.
The bit I don't understand is when Kaba was shooting people in a packed nightclub (and the demographics of that club from the CCTV was 99% Black) the only people he was hurting were other Black people. When he committed GBH stabbing someone at 13, what colour was his victim? What about the first time he was jailed for firearms offences, who was he hurting? Which by the way, if he had served his full sentence would have had him nicely away in a jail cell and he'd still be alive. What about his partner, who when pregnant with his baby had a domestic violence protection order put in place preventing him from being near her? Do Black babies lives not matter? Why lionize someone seriously hurting your community? What the actual ****? There needs to be a really honest and forthright conversation between certain communities, however it's going to be really difficult with **** stirring politicians and pressure groups as well as a totally irresponsible hack media. I'm not Black so its probably easy for me to say, but I do think the Met is it's own worst enemy. There needs to be a conversation with the public which needs to make very clear that you can't opt out of being policed. You can't opt out of a criminal justice system and most of all a really easy way to avoid contact with the police, positive or negative, is to avoid crime. There needs to be education in schools about what Police in England and Wales can do, not bullshit information they've gained from American films. I'm not suggesting that the police make tactics public, but a full explanation of the law would be really helpful. As a final note, I'm really pleased the Great British public don't know much about guns because that's a positive for society but if I see one more suggestion about "shooting the tyres" or shooting the weapon out of hands I'm going to scream.
I think people probably don't understand that the Labour membership is a vastly bigger entity than the Parliamentary Labour Party. These are people with an interest in global politics who would have wanted to go over whether Labour were in power or not. Trump is fantastic at the misdirection- but was quite happy to have South African Elon Musk pay millions to voters… To me this is a nothing. The latest reason to bash Labour on the head for doing the same things every other party does. The shoot the tyres thing was said by an elderly lady - but I do imagine someone younger said it to her. Shooting a tyre on a large vehicle will not impact its ability to kill you by running you over, and the deflected bullet could kill one of your colleagues. Like you say, it is all pretty stupid. The importance here, and one that I see you also understand, is to see this is a nuanced issue - and not "black people being dumb and hysterical" (not quoting anyone here!). There IS a history of police violence to that community and people are very slow to forgive and forget. The issue of black on black violence is another consequence of poverty in the UK. Black people of Caribbean origin have the worst educational success in the UK and the slowest social mobility. This is not true of black people from other origins, however, and it is a really bad habit in the UK to refer to all people who are black as if they have the same origins and the same life expectations. This is not an issue for white people to fix. We have to be patient and support minority communities wherever we can - just as we need to support the largest group in society with poor school attainment and low life expectations - white working class boys.
Unfortunately there's absolutely loads of "shoot the tyres" comments on twitter. Happens on every contentious police use of force video on social media. Always someone who's got absolutely no legal training in use of force much less practical experience (don't even get me started on "deescalation!") Kaba fired more rounds in that nightclub than police did in every force in England and Wales in the whole year yet there's huge groups of people arguing that police are trigger happy racists. Absolutely not an issue for white people to fix and any attempt to even do so would probably be very unhelpful, but fixing society as a whole is impossible. There's so many strong narratives on social media and unfortunately our politics are starting to get very polarised like the US. It's remarkably easy on social media to persuade people to join a certain way of thinking especially if it's linked in with identity politics- I am X so must believe Y. It's really dangerous and worrying. Education is really important but it's not in any party's political interest to mandate it. Sad.
Pretty much self explanatory. Edit A bit more on Palantir and it’s on record that the billionaire owner of the company wants the NHS privatised. Giving him everyone’s private data is giving him a head start in that direction, plus how many people want their private health information to be held by a private company? If people withdraw consent for their information to be shared with Palantir, it reduces the effectiveness of the “joined up” system the NHS wants, making it a waste of money. IMO, it should all be in-house. https://goodlawproject.org/update/nhs-signed-palantir-contract-then-carried-on-negotiating/
Why do we have to support them? We could deport criminals and be tougher on who we allow to stay here. And much tougher on violent offenders. The fact that we allow these types of criminals to offend, then be released to do the same things over and over again is a big part of the problem. He could have killed anyone when he shot up that club. Why was he on the streets? We should be extremely hostile to anyone that breaks the law that wasn’t born here imo. (But equally very welcoming to those in that integrate and contribute). Our justice system is a complete joke. The police don’t get any help. No wonder they are overrun when we let criminals roam the streets at will. Now labour are releasing even more. Hmmmm I wonder what the outcome will be?
