Carmine analogy incoming. I’ve had time to mull this one over. It’s like being in the family racing business and you own a horse that’s more than capable of winning the Derby. You’ve got several family members who are jockeys and despite giving it their best efforts aren’t capable of getting the horse over the finishing line in first place. Just not good enough. You can persist by keeping it in the family and therefore deny the horse the glory it deserves or bring in a better jockey and actually see it fulfil it’s potential. If anyone thinks that Tuchal isn’t an upgrade on Carsely then I give up and in time nobody remembers the jockey anyway. I suppose some would rather see England fail with and English manager that succeed with a foreign one, but that’s not how I look at it. For the divs amongst you the horse relates to the national team and the jockey the manager. Here endeth the lesson.
Because it's supposed to be a team representing the nation of England. No country has ever won the World Cup with a foreign manager, and only once has a country won the Euros with one (Greece in 2004). In South America, five of forty-eight Copa America have been won with non-native managers, but only two of those were won by countries with managers from other South American states. Major footballing nations simply do not employ foreign managers. There are no standout English managers, but there are plenty of English managers who could've been given the opportunity. Gareth Southgate's managerial experience prior to becoming England manager was 3 years with the youth team, and an horrendous spell in charge of Middlesbrough in which he turned the UEFA Cup finalists into Championship also-rans. As the birthplace of association football, as the home of the world's richest and most prestigious domestic competition, as a country with millions of registered players and as a nation with some of the best attendances of any sports leagues on Earth (both Premier League and Championship), it should be considered humiliating to resort to a non-English manager. In all honesty, it just feels like another sign of the death of any sense of Englishness in England. Most countries see club football as the place to long for videogame-style all-star sides, and they see international football as a chance for their countrymen to achieve glory. Bringing in a foreigner, especially from a country that is supposedly an enemy - in sporting terms, at least - totally undermines that. Isn't that why we all poke fun at the Scots for filling their squads with Londoners and Lancastrians whose grannies happened to be born in Gretna Green? Or the Irish for resembling an England 2nd XI? This goes beyond even that. Tuchel has no English ancestry, he wasn't born or raised in England, he's spent barely a year of his life here and that was in his forties. There simply isn't a connection, and that's why Wayne Rooney's comment about the strangeness of your manager watching his own country at a tournament you're still competing in hits home.
Other than Argentina, Spain, France and England… Germany and Brazil have never had a foreign coach, but Brazil tried to convince Ancelotti to take over recently.
Good article https://www.theguardian.com/football/2024/oct/19/daily-mail-thomas-tuchel-england-manager
France have had two non-French managers, one of whom moved to France at 14 and spent his entire adult life playing and managing there. South American sides were largely amateur and the sport very expat-oriented for decades, but since becoming professional the Argentine national team has had two non-Argentinians as manager. One of them managed a single match, the other was a Spaniard who did very successfully and got them their third Copa America. That was in 1928. Spain have had foreign managers on multiple occasions, but only one was from another European country and he was a naturalised Spaniard. I think my point stands. Foreign managers are exceptionally rare, especially successful ones, and those that have been employed have generally been from other continents.
Don’t know if it’s me just being lazy & got bored, whether it’s too long or the fact Hitler was mentioned numerous times in the first few paragraphs, but I couldn’t continue reading that. What was good about it?
No, as you’re well aware, as you’ve mentioned it at least three times on this thread already. Though only 21 managers have ever won the World Cup, so it’s hardly a massive sample size.
So why bring up the fact that teams had a foreign manager about 90 years ago as if it has any relevance? Hope Tuchel becomes the first but don’t think he will, and if he doesn’t it won’t all be his fault.
Is starting pointless arguments on the internet seriously the best thing you can find to occupy your time on a Saturday afternoon?
Same can be said for you. In response to people saying no foreign manager has won a World Cup you come up with completely irrelevant fact some countries had foreign managers decades ago.
Tell you what we’ve had real trouble at left back for years but all the english ones are not good enough or injury prone. Can we not just buy in Alphonso Davies?
