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“Net Zero”: The political lie for a generation

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  1. pieguts

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    There’s a difference between reading and understanding, and as you have shown, even in the couple of posts about thermodynamics, you struggle with the understanding. <cheers>
     
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    You only show you have a dmd fixation. You have no idea if what I, and experts, and environmentalists and others have said is accurate.<laugh>
     
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  4. pieguts

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    A quick Google search coupled with my own knowledge as an engineer confirms that your perceived understanding of the post you made is flawed.
    As for the fixation bit, again you are listen to the voices in your head. <laugh>
     
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    You base your views on being the opposite of anything I post, but you can't back them with evidence or facts.

    In short, the evidence from your posts clearly prove that you are a dull, boring moron with a dmd fixation.
     
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  6. The Anilingus Aficionado

    The Anilingus Aficionado Official POTY 2011, 2014, 2015, 2018 & 2023

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    How does a carbon capture scheme cost £22bn and who’s getting the money?

    Thought Labour weren’t corrupted and were for the plebs?

    I’ve got a novel idea how granny can keep her winter fuel allowance and we can capture Co2 plus get the 700,000 Africans working

    Get the Africans to start planting trees.

    Jobs a good’un
     
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  7. QuarterMoonII

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    The money is going to the usual people on the gravy train that get loads of taxpayers’ money to devise these things that then come up way short on delivery and eventually get quietly abandoned with the losses written off.

    When Ed Millipede was Energy Secretary in the Blair government in 2005, he gave £500m to BP for a Carbon Capture and Storage (CCS) initiative at Peterhead in Scotland. The project proved to be a total bust, never actually getting beyond the concept stage as the process extracted very little Carbon Dioxide and used up too much energy in doing so to make it workable at any scale. Back in 1998 it was estimated that a CCS level of 85 per cent on fossil fuel use would reduce total UK carbon emissions by 17 per cent. The targeted industries were power stations, steel plants and oil refineries.

    Labour continued to throw public money down this drain until 2009 when their ‘competition’ to find a viable CCS methodology was abandoned. There is currently no method of CCS that is economically viable or that can achieve results at scale. The 2008 UK Energy Bill claimed that CCS would be able to reduce emissions from fossil fuel power stations by up to 90 per cent but that was quickly proven to be a fantasy; and none of the major environmental groups support any existing CCS project.

    Almost all of the ideas devised to date suffer from the same related problems: they need to be built near to the source of the carbon dioxide or near to the storage site, which means that huge amounts of money has to be spent on infrastructure (e.g. pipelines to transport the compressed gas); and the processes devised all use huge amounts of energy.

    So, as you state, the sensible use for £22bn of taxpayers’ money would be planting trees, nature’s CCS initiative that has been around for millions of years. They would have to pay the Africans better than Just Eat and Deliveroo though to get them off their bikes...

    No word yet from Ed Millipede about when we can expect our energy bills to fall. Here is an idea for him: remove the green tariff that he imposed on everyone’s bills back in the Blair years. But then he would have to cut the subsidies for the renewables and the companies building them would stop as the gravy train had been derailed.
     
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  8. Diego

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    The thing i am struggling with is the amount of times £22bn is mentioned.
    £22bn black hole, £22bn carbon capture and at this time of night i can't remember what the third is but it seems a very popular amount.
     
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    doesn’t matter gammon, at least keer strimmer isn’t a toeree :emoticon-0175-drunk
     
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    Labour is wanting 22 billion to build a carbon capture plant , the thick twats haven't worked out that trees do it for free plant more trees Labour like Khan will tell you x amount of carbon tons but in fact its 00.02% its just a ploy to get more money how can paying Khan 12 quid to get into London for every car help carbon, you could have the most polluting car still the same price whats he doing with the money beside giving TFL and council workers massive pay rises.
     
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    It's not just carbon the scrubbers capture, it's CO2 which means for every molicule of carbon you take out of the atmosphere you are taking two molicules of Oxygen.
    The idea is to pump it down closed coal mines and oil wells, the problem with that is that neither are hermetically sealed and the gas will eventually seep through cracks in the rock and re-enter the atmosphere.
     
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  12. Makemstine Roger

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    its stupid mate trees are the green option but then with no oil or coal of which we have tons we will become a 3rd world backwater just what Starmer Blair and cronies want
     
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    get back to work nothing to see here

    please log in to view this image
     
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    We’ve been pumping it underneath the sea for the last 20 years mate, this is nothing new. I also read an article the other day stating that CO2 capture by trees is at its lowest ever level. I meant to save the article but I didn’t and I can’t bloody find it!
     
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    I have replied to Diego around the CO2 question, so won’t bore you with that again.
    It’s reported that we have around 40 years of oil and gas left worldwide and around a 100 years of coal. This of course doesn’t account for new finds. What do think will happen if we carry on using these finite resources at the current rate. As the world scrambles to get their share, where do you think the prices will be. You saw what happened to energy prices when Russia invaded Ukraine. You have spent weeks whining about the pensioners losing £300 heating allowance, I’m not sure that’s going to matter to much when none apart from the millionaire’s and billionaires can afford energy.
     
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    Absolute nonsense. There’s been 30-40 years worth of gas and oil left for the about 100 years.

    Every global “issue” is a lie.

    Renewables are overwhelmingly ****e, inefficient, cost a fortune and don’t solve anything to do with reducing co2 emissions.

    Get globalism in the bin.


    PS Russia is still in Ukraine and oil prices are falling… make it make sense.
     
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  17. Makemstine Roger

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    same as letting china have as much as they want, we suffer economically, while they prosper on the world market for another 30 years if you want to reduce it ,start with the biggest polluters first as nothing we do will make 1 halfpence of difference Oh and Starmer is a lying cheating swindler who has been caught out now but the brain washed refuse to watch the facts
     
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  18. Makemstine Roger

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    try reading other articles apart from political biased BBC Sky and Guardian
     
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  19. pieguts

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    I read neither beyond the sports page on the BBC, you should try it yourself.
     
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  20. Makemstine Roger

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    typical drip fed on ****e i see
     
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