This is ridiculously ignorant. As if being rich and slinging one up Cheryl Cole means you can't suffer.
No worries man. All kinds of famous and rich people off themselves, I dont get it. But I aint supposed to I guess. I aint in their head space.
I was only thinking today, if females were the biggest fatality, something would have been done about it by now, it would certainly get way more media attention than it does currently....but it's men. Around three quarters of suicide rates in 2022 were men 74.1% that's shocking.
Either way looks like my initial assumption was incorrect. Initial post mortem has said he may have been only partially conscious when he fell.
Bod I think a lot of it with celebrities is when you have everything, that's not always a good thing, lifes challenges keep us sane. Add in the factor of what you said that you can have all these adorable women, but it's not love, not real love, it's just something money has bought you - if you recognise real love is missing, due to many factors that may occur (a break up in a relationship as an example), as a celebrity or anybody really, are they old enough and wise enough, strong enough and capable of dealing with the emotion and I'd say at the age of 31 the answer to that could well be no (biggest killer of men under 45). Who was the other guy that died recently, from the programme friends, don't know how old he was.
Whilst i agree that men are ignored, i can't be a hypocrite and say we should do more as i hate how everything has been catered to the totally free rather than the many. I would need to see what the absolute numbers were e.g. if there were only 40 suicides and 30 were men a year, that's **** all in terms of people dying every year
https://www.samaritans.org/about-sa...uicide-facts-and-figures/latest-suicide-data/ Big difference in the numbers between men and women.
I think if something is the biggest single killer of men under 45 then it's worthy of attention personally.
All fair points. In 2023 there were 7000 suicides in the uk. Means there was, so around 3500 more men dying from suicide. I guess most of this falls under mental health, is the suggestion we have a more targeted mental health branch for men? In comparison things that gets high priority for **** like women or trans etc. 1,000,000 sexual assaults (800,000 for women) 2600 transphobic hate crimes (oh wow this is a lot lower than i expected although just stop hate suggests its underreported). 2,400,000 million domestic abuse cases (1,700,000 women). Okay, i have decided maybe i am a heartless conservative. Apologies for those who suffer from mental disorders as i know theres a few on this board. I still love you guys lots and you can always talk here
well as someone who knows someone whose 9 yr old committed suicide i can assure you that it is equally traumatic , if not more so , when a child does it .
Truly horrific mate. Can't even begin to imagine. Yeah poorly worded by me, what I was trying to get at was that I'd imagine it's worse to lose a child in any circumstances than an adult to suicide.
It's an emotive subject - for a long time I felt strongly that it's a very selfish act I.e that the ****ers that really suffer are the family (and friends) that have to cope with the aftermath ... ... but I then heard an interview with someone that had attempted it and only failed because they were 'lucky' enough to be discovered by a passing person with medical expertise ... they explained that rather than just wanting out for themselves they thought they were nothing but a burden and that (mistakenly) their family etc would have much happier lives, free of that burden ...
Nah you were right to - I didn't word it correctly at all. Cos it was an afterthought and added in as an edit rather hastily.
It's a complex subject. I spent nearly 20 years working in mental health and it's an issue that unsurprisingly comes up far too often. For some people, suicide attempts are a cry for help, they don't actually want to die but they just want to be helped. For others it's the last straw of a tortured life and they see it as the only way out. A proportion of these people don't actually go through with it, because they have significant others who they can't bear to leave behind, or leave with the grief of their suicide. And conversely, as you point out, there are those who just seem themselves as a burden and their family's would be better of without them There are others who self harm as a way of being in control of one aspect of their lives, when everything else is chaos, and this sometimes this leads to accidental death. And there are people who genuinely want to end it all, but lack the 'means or skill' to actually kill themselves, and some of these people end up with horrible life changing injuries. A significant proportion of suicides are young men, because traditional male roles have always been seen as strong, breadwinners, the person who heads up the family, men don't cry, take it on the chin etc etc and any vulnerability has been seen as a weakness. So men don't seek help and are more likely to blow a lid, or abuse drugs and alcohol to cope. Thankfully those attitudes are changing now, but unfortunately the other aspect that increases the ratio of suicide in young men is that they actually manage to carry it out successfully when they attempt suicide.
