No it isn't. It hides behind that excuse. At its root, it is about Israel's very existence at all. Make absolutely no mistake, while Hamas, Hezbollah and Iran portray themselves as the great protectors and champions of the Palestinian people, the latter are nothing but dispensable pawns in their real endgame, which is to bring about the complete destruction of the state of Israel. You don't even need to look far for proof of this. Just read Hamas' and Hezbollah's own charters, or Iran's foreign policy statements. It's black and white, front and centre. Hamas was instrumental in derailing the Oslo Accords, launching a wave of car and suicide bombings which pushed the Israeli public into the arms of more right wing leaders like Sharon and Netanyahu. The Palestinians had never been closer to securing a State, and Hamas ****ed it for them. So don't ever be under the illusion that they give a single toss about the people they supposedly represent. Meanwhile what pisses me off even more about the latter two is that they are not even ethnic Palestinian, have little to no territorial claims on the land in question and therefore blatantly and obviously just want Israel to be destroyed in it's entirety. Israel could dismantle every settlement tomorrow and withdraw to even the 1947 lines the day after, and those bastards wouldn't stop. You need to give your head a wobble if you believe otherwise.
There is zero recognition of Israel’s illegal occupation, subjugation, economic stranglehold, and ever increasing encroachment into Palestinian territory in your one sided analysis. Your failure to recognise this, means you fail to recognise the fundamental reason why Israel is seen as a threat to the existence of Palestine and hence why it is met with armed resistance. At the very root of all of this is Israel’s continued illegal occupation and the apartheid state it enforces on the native population. As for talking about ethnic entitlement to the land, the irony there is staggering given most of Israel is made up of ethnic Europeans and was created out of a project to rehome Europeans
I don’t think anyone is entitled to anything. A Jewish state had to be established somewhere and there was a decent argument for it being there. The Palestinians tried war assuming an easy victory and lost. A gamble they chose. This has been repeated numerous times on a smaller scale. I know you don’t mean it that way but I see a lot of the left with their ‘go back to Europe’ mantra not a million miles off the sort of language right wingers apply to migrants here. I also see a lot of the right and left telling Jews to ‘go to Israel’. Some people, again not you, won’t be happy unless Jews just roll over and die quietly.
Yeah, I only mention the ethic thing because of the irony of Citizen Kane complaining that a lot of the resistance fighters aren't ethnic Palestinians, when the whole of Israel is a European project, settled by Europeans. That said, I don't really care, the whole world is now a melting pot of ethnicity anyway, and I actually agree with the principle of a Jewish homeland, even if many in the region don't. But people have to appreciate why that has been problematic for the Palestinians, given the nature and constructs of the state of Israel. The constant encroachment into their territory and the fact that it now acts as an oppressive state on it's neighbours, creating an aparthaid state in their own home. And then people wonder why they fight back....
I think you have to break it down to the various Iranian-backed groups on different fronts. Hezbollah/Lebanon were under no threat but fancied their chances on October 8th when it was assumed Israel would be weak, either knowing October 7th was coming and preparing for it or just taking their shot when it appeared. The Houthis, **** knows, too irrelevant to really care. I think Hamas got distracted on the 7th and the plan was for something much bigger in Tel Aviv. Probably a lot worse and quicker for everyone if that had played out albeit with the same ‘peace’ enthusiasts in this country cheering for terrorists. The serious countries like Egypt have stayed well out of it unsurprisingly.
There are always going to be people in the region on both sides who want to wipe each other out. But if Israel could just ****ing behave itself, I think a lot of that tension would ratchet down considerably.
You've missed my point. I've said countless times on this forum that I see the settlements as an obstacle to peace. I'm very clear on that. But I am equally clear that the settlements and any level of occupation do not explain the degree of enmity Iran and Hezbollah have for Israel. It also doesn't explain why Hamas was set up at precisely the point Israel and the PA stood at the brink of an historic agreement, with the openly stated goal of bringing about the nullification of that agreement. It succeeded. Anyone who believes Iran's hatred of Israel is due to settlements, rather than its religiously driven broader goal of establishing a Shi'te caliphate across the middle east and political domination of the region, is a total idiot. Anyone who believes that Hezbollah's hatred of Israel is due to Israel's occupation of the Shebaa and Mount Dov regions, rather than its jihadist ideology to rid the land of non Muslims, is a total idiot. Anyone who believes Hamas actually agrees with a two state solution and would lay down its arms the moment Israel opens the Gaza strip and dismantles every settlement, is a total idiot. My point about ethnicity is that neither Hezbollah nor Iran are ethnically Palestinian. They have just as little 'claim' over any of that land as a Jewish settler in a caravan up a hill somewhere in Samaria. Anyone who believes otherwise is a total idiot. I am absolutely not saying Israel is squeaky clean, nor have I ever said that. But you my friend have been duped by the relentless PR machine into believing that this war is being fought on a certain premise, and that premise is simply false. This is the same falsehood that has allowed Iran to turn millions of innocents into dispensable pawns. Stop buying into it.
It would only encourage them. There have been loads of small scale attacks sucked up. A family from Radlett who had recently emigrated got shot to pieces a couple of years back and that sort of thing wasn’t uncommon.
Both Egypt and Jordan did not hand over the territory assigned to Palestine in 47 and after they lost they continued to occupy the west Bank and Gaza until Israel seized them in 67 .Basically their allies didn't seem that keen on an independent Palestine until their chance of keeping the territory was extinguished .
This is just willfully myopic. The notion that Israel is the only problem in the entire region and if only it behaved itself, all would be well, is so hopelessly naive. Iran has duped you mate, hook line and sinker. I have to give the Ayatollahs credit. They've played a long, long game for over 30 years. And in that time they've duped most of Europe. Genius in fact.
You fail to recognise who is the main aggressor in the region. Iran for all of it's posturing, is a busted flush which fires blanks. Which country is the one that has killed tens of thousands of civilians and levelled whole cities ?
that point goes both ways considering the near constant attacks on Palestinians in the occupied territories and the restrictions placed on them .
Jordan only relinquished its claim of sovereignty over the West Bank in 1988. The reason given publicly for this was to give the PLO independence and room to grow a state. The reason given behind closed doors was that King Hussein realised it would cost his treasury $1.5billion to redevelop the region if it came under Jordanian control. He wanted to wash his hands of that responsibility. Of course, this was clearly and obviously Israel's fault.
Yeah maybe but **** ‘em. Bad parenting letting your kids throw unidentifiable objects at soldiers in any country.
Again, you simply brush under the carpet the role Israel has played in ratcheting up tension and ultimately unleashing hell in the region. For from being 'squeaky clean' as you lightly put it, it doesn't take a ****ing Ayatollah to show the world how Israel have behaved towards Palestine in the last 60 odd years mate.
We're allowed to shoot you, but if you shoot back were gonna wipe out your country That's the mentality of Israel.
