Match Day Thread Norwich v Hull City

I agree. We just lack discipline and shape in defence. Most possession-based, high-pressing teams these days press and defend in a flat 4-4-2 whether they line up in a 4-3-3, 4-1-4-1, 4-2-3-1 etc. with the #10 or one of the #8s pressing alongside the striker.

We sort of do it but the execution is all over the place. Mehlem and Bedia press the opposition’s centre-halves, for example, but the midfield and defensive lines behind them are so easy to play through and don’t have any positional discipline off the ball. West Brom under Corberán are a great example of a team with exceptional discipline off the ball.

Walter needs to realise there are several teams in this division who have more quality than us and will have more possession during games. Norwich is one of them. We can’t play the same high line with one of the centre-backs having this box-to-box role in every game against every team. If we had Micky van de Ven doing it then fair enough but we’ve had Sean McLoughlin doing it.

 

I’m not disappointed nor surprised by the result today, I said after the qpr game that a good team will take us apart.
The 3 games we won, we had 50 odd shots against us, that’s far too many.
Walter thinks his style is successful, I’m not sure been so open can be successful.
Mid table is were we’ll end up, we’ll beat the teams below us and struggle against the better

 

Oh dear....Lose heavy or even lose to Sunderland and TW is back on shaky ground...
This league reminds me of the prem....Not the quality of football, the fact that its breaking down into three leagues.
Three leagues of 8. Sadly Narwych are top 8....we're somewhere around the bottom 4 of the middle 8, and the top 4 of the bottom 8.

I thought we'd get beat today, but not by 4...Sort of tells us we ain't that good.

 

From the stands, a clear pen. Same as Tuesday.

 

Coyle’s body language told you it was a penalty.

 

Although if we’d have won the game today, we’d have finished the match in the playoff positions. But let’s write the season off at the beginning of October on one result.

 

Were conceding average 18 chances a game. Today was 21.

To suggest it's 1 result is myopic on your part.

 

Hands by his side, pulling away from the ball? Under this season’s directives that’s not a pen.

 

Five results, five games that have been **** as a whole. Six if you include the cup defeat.

 

The table positions are misleading at this stage. A gap of four points might look small, but on a points per game return it’s more like a 16 point gap at the end of the season. We’re averaging 1.3 points per game at the moment. If we do that all season we’ll be lower-mid table come the end of it.

 

I think the success of the Walter project clearly depends partly on the players adapting to what he wants but also partly on him adapting to what the Championship demands. I'm not sure I have huge confidence in him doing that but we'll see I guess.

 

But the fact that we could have been 6th shows other teams outside the top 2 have been **** too.

 

TBF they were pouring out in last 5 and 5 of injury time. Two stands pretty much empty within a minute of the final whistle. But that standing stand behind goal stayed full.

 

Honestly looked like his hand was away from his body and I was surprised ref didn't give it. Lino did

 

Hull head coach Tim Walter:

"They were a lot more clinical than us and took advantage of our mistakes while we didn’t take advantage of theirs.

“We lost the ball too often and didn’t win enough of the duels and were punished for it. The lads kept going and showed a good attitude but it is a defeat that we must accept.

“We must keep our heads up and remember that we had won our three previous games and were really good in them.

"Today we lost 4-0 and that is how it is in football sometimes."

 

Obviously Walter doesn’t say don’t defend and don’t leave it wide open. but you wonder what is his coaching for when we lose the ball or don’t have it?
because surely he should be going mental on the sidelines as were repeatedly cut wide open

 

It means we've started okay, as you said, it's only October. But it's a concern that Norwich have also had a change of manager, backroom staff and a moderate player turnover and yet they looked waaaay ahead of us in terms of their set up and quality.

If we want to get promoted, we need to be better than teams like Norwich. And at the moment, we're miles behind.

 

I wonder if he expects us to have scored a few by the time we start being all open?

He does look very animated on the sidelines, a lot of head shaking and flailing arms suggests some players aren't doing what they're supposed to.

 

Maybe Tim has his plan and takes no heed of the opposition - like Wenger when we whupped the Arse .

 

They exploited the gaps we left with ease I think our press is terrible. Mehlem and Slater are both beaten with ease