I'm not 'using a great victory to rubbish one of our players '... That's why I kept my initial response brief. In fact, I've been a defender of Werner for months - maybe not a zealous as CK, but still - and I truly thought he would be a decent support player. But he was particularly poor yesterday. A massively experienced international player (goalscorer?) who contributed so little, missing great chances and not utilising the space and opportunities offered playing against a very poor Utd 10 men. His performance was literally for me the only downside of the match and why it took until the 75th minute to replace him is a mystery. And the bigger picture is that he is standing in the path of Moores development, a young lad who has already shown the confidence and skill to progress at the top level. If Ange continues to pick him then so be it, but I don't have to agree with it.
None of his crosses caused any real danger for Utd and someone pointed out yesterday how he was ball watching as Utd almost scored. The misses are just standard Werner, he has a reputation for missing great chances and is one of the few players I can think of that has compilations on YouTube of those misses. Werner might need regular game time but Spurs definitely don’t need him getting it here. This is a player that Chelsea didn’t want, that Leipzig don’t want and is someone who has so far been very poor in almost every appearance for our club. Add in that his signing has essentially contributed to a player like Spence missing out on Europe and it further compounds what a bad signing he’s been for the club.
Fair point - and certainly an improvement on the Son/Udogie link ups (or lack of); so far this season. 2nd half though and I thought Spence played in a very similar way to Udogie, but there wasn't the connection and the longer the game went on the more Werner seemed to be getting in the way rather than assisting. It could just be fitness and you might be right that he needs good minutes on Thursday - but so does Mikey Moore.
There's been a lot of analysis of Man Utd's performance yesterday, fairly understandably. Virtually all of it has just been "they played bad and made mistakes", though. No tactical issues or team selection **** ups, just "not good". It's very basic.
I don't want Moore chucked in at the deep end and run into the ground, though. Easing him in and letting him learn from other, more experienced players is the way to go, in my opinion. Hopefully we'll have plenty of games to give him opportunities and wins in the Europa will help with that. A lot of our players will get international call-ups too, so we have to make sure the balance is right.
No one’s asking for Moore to be run into the ground though. Just to be given some legitimate chances. Chances that are currently being taken up by a player that is nowhere near good enough.
Son is currently first choice on that flank. There is an argument that Odobert is second choice. No reason Mikey shouldn't then be third choice. I was optimistic about Werner but his stated goal in joining us last season was to get back into the Germany squad for the Euros. His failure to do so seems to have drained whatever little confidence he had left.
And if Moore comes in and does well, which I think he will, then he'll be expected to play regularly. I think we need to manage him sensibly, like Guardiola has with Foden. He's still very young. Odobert's injured and Son's knackered. South Korea have called him up again already, so that's more travel and 180 more minutes. We also don't have any real cover for Johnson at the moment and he'll undoubtedly play a lot for Wales in the break. Moore can get time on both flanks over the coming months. No need to rush it. Lankshear should start getting on for Solanke soon, too.
Disagree Spurf. Plenty of what Werner does is seriously substandard. His crossing, finishing and his passing are all wanting. At matches I fully support all the players but I do have the right to give an honest opinion on a player. I love being proven wrong ... genuinely would loved to have been wrong about jose/conte and Dier (post his flirt with United) and Sanchez and Richarlison, and lo Celso, Sessengon and Ndombele...giving an honest opinion is not scapegoating IMHO.
Managing him sensibly can still mean playing some significant minutes. If he does well then that’s a win-win for Spurs. Halting those minutes for Werner is essentially a lose-lose because all it means is we have to endure a poor player and our promising prospect doesn’t get chances to impress and grow. He’s also being left out of the 21s at the moment, so he’s as far as away as possible of being ran into the ground.
It's very early in the season, though. We've played 8 games and the schedule has been light. The next couple of games will provide plenty of opportunity to give him minutes and that'll increase over the coming months. 3 away games on the bounce will be a test and it's one we need to pass with as few casualties as possible.
Ange did his analysis before the game. He (anyone) could see how weak Utd are in midfield. He picked a team to exploit that with Maddison and Kulusevski in central midfield. He didn’t need a defensive midfielder. Spurs were dominating that area before the sending off, but completely in control afterwards. Only Garnacho’s ability to carry the ball forward himself caused any threat (mild as it was). It doesn’t take any analysis after the match either to see that de Ligt, Ugarte and Zirkzee are just not good enough players for the level Utd want to compete at. It’s difficult to gauge how good Spurs are generally from that performance because it was too easy. Good players can play very well if they are allowed to; there will be bigger tests for Spurs against more competitive teams, particularly those who have more possession and can compete in midfield.
Werner isn’t good enough, saying that isnt being negative or looking for a narrative. It’s just facts. He missed a couple of 1 on 1s. He also messed up a big attack when he could have picked out Maddison or Solanke but he passed it to neither. Yes his confidence is probably shot to pieces but his career has been in free fall for 4-5 years. Spurs have a plenty of other options in that position so it’s understandable several of us would rather not see the club pay him £180,000 a week to stink out the place.
None of that changes the fact he could've been afforded the minutes we've given Werner though. What benefit is there to Spurs for Werner playing over Moore? I genuinely don't see one. He offers little to nothing - as he's done for years with multiple clubs, won't improve as a player and isn't even technically our player anyway. Meanwhile the potential upside to Moore playing is almost limitless. He could've had around 2 hours worth of football for the first team this season, instead he's had about 20 mins. Add in he's only played twice for the 21s and he's probably in a situation where he's lacking a bit of match fitness. That'll do no help for his development.
So due to poor showings last season, the show's producers were seriously contemplating canning the once famous DH's AwayDays but a private backer has come in at the 11th hour and financed a new season with the hope of bringing the show back to life. So on that note, welcome back Ladies and Gentlemen to Season 7 of DH's AwayDays! On his first trip this season, DH takes a trip to the side of Manchester that probably aren't fans of Oasis, where he meets with his friends at RedCafe, enjoy PRE MATCH: Spurs have been subpar this season but so have we. So we’ll lose 2-0. Ooof, so close! Van de Ven and Romero to look like prime Maldini and Baresi. Disrespectful putting those bums in the mix with Micky and Cuti! After personal circumstances have kept me from travelling over to OT for 6 years, I am going to this. Haven't timed it well, have I? Ohhh buddy... Might skip this one and watch the recording later. You might wanna skip the recording too. If he loses this, he is definitely sacked. "We want you to stay..." A team that has no plan b, should be easy to prepare for. We have pacey, counter attacking players and an element of solidity. Playing against a team that’s forever open with a high defensive line, should be fun. Yeah it'll be super embarassing for you if we keep a clean sheet... No excuses with Son missing. None whatsoever. It’s all set up so Brennan Johnson can turn into Thierry Henry now Pfft and again, putting bums alongside our legends. Utter joke. Timo Werner Brennan Johnson Dominic Solanke Dear lord, that front 3. If we don’t beat spurs today then I want ten hag to be sacked at full time publicly. Clearly don't know about the Brennanator and the Cartoon King. We'll let you have the first one though. FIRST HALF **1-0 Johnson** Great start Second time this week a player has run 75-80 yards with barely a challenge leading to a goal. Bloody hell he's rapid. OT is a fortress. For other teams. Theatre of Dreams for a reason. Ugarte and De Ligt were just watching football - they did not even try to stop this attack Almost as if there's a reason why their former clubs didn't want them... ETH please resign NOOOOO! Bruno's passing is awful I swear at one point Utd fans and the media tried comparing him to de Bruyne?! Bruno losing the ball time and time again crazy It's not all he'll lose. If you can't laugh at this, you will cry Ohhh we're laughing don't you worry. De Ligt and Dalot so bad today "De Ligtful". Ugarte's first thought is backwards Harry Winks, is that you? *Fernandes red* feck off Bruno Bruno is one hell of a useless guy I could fecking chin Bruno. At least Bruno won't be playing for a while. Good job Bruno... Just what we needed. Sell that idiot. Well that’s one way to ensure we don’t see Bruno for the second half. Silver linings an' all that. SECOND HALF **Kulu 2-0** 2-0 on the counter 10 men or not that's fecking **** Game over. Bye lads 2-0. Terrible defending again. Martinez in particular awful Martinez has been awful Slick finish tbf Get in, Ginge! Licha running in concrete with flippers on. To be fair, a hobbit will never beat a fully grown man in a race. Having ten men, bringing on another defensive midfielder and being countered is something EtH-ball in full flow. In the long run Spurs are doing us a favour if ETH gets sacked We're great guys like that you see. Let’s admit. We hired wrong baldy from Netherlands He's Slot-ting in well at Pool it has to be said. Werner doing his best to not put us to the sword. Werner has been poor enough to have been playing for us! I swear with Son this would’ve been 0-6 or something. Werner is just *laughing emojis* Timo Werner looks shocked that he has been replaced, been our best player Feck. Werner off. Floodgates open. Damn it, Werner off. For anyone thinking it's just Spurs fans that thought he played badly **Solanke 3-0** Honestly, 3-0 still flatters us. Another 3-0 at home against a top half team Two 0-3 losses at home and we haven't even finished September Another ETH masterclass. Getting battered isn't for everyone It's an art. Some blonde Swedish bastard who's about 12 has just delivered a better corner than we have all game. Bergvall doing Bergvall things. Eriksen comes on, takes 2 shocking set pieces. They have some kid come on, takes a quality one. Man I love(d) that majestic Danish bastard but I definitely don't miss his corners! Solanke is one of those underated forwards that we should be targeting. Bit of Dom loving there. Another very good game from him. Kulusevski is such a good player. He really is. If Spurs weren't so bad at finishing this would be 0-6 at this point. We're trying to keep EtH in the job you see! I reckon Spurs needed to score one more for him to be sacked tomorrow. Told ya! POST MATCH I hate them all. Me to Arsenal fans. Genuinely only positives are potentially that results in the manager being removed from his position. Also, Bruno is now suspended. So basically it's a great result for you as much as it was for us? mETH football instead of champagne football. "mETH" football is superb, genuinely lol'd at that Person 1: Spurs had an xg of 5.41. Genuinely don't think I've ever seen it that high before Person 2: If you factor in that it was Werner taking the shots it drops to 0.5 tbf Sad but true! If it's Southgate, we riot. No, we party. Hard. If Ange piles more pressure and gets him sacked, I'll post in an aussie accent for a year I swear please log in to view this image
Werner got a couple of decent crosses into the box, just as he has been coached to do so. But Johnson and Solanke weren’t at the receiving end when you would have expected them to be. And come on! You can’t blame Werner personally for Spence missing out on the Euro spot! He didn’t select the squad.
No that's on Ange for both choosing to sign off on re-signing him and then picking him in a squad that didn't need him. But the point is that there isn't one single upside to having him at this football club; He's a bad player, in the way of Moore's development, picked in a squad that could've been given to Spence, is a drain on finances considering he's the second highest earner at the club. I don't see it happening but ideally we cancel his loan in January. We'll be stronger and better off for it.
I assume you mean this one: He passed it perfectly for Maddison's run and Maddison just stopped as he played it. Would've had a very easy shot if he'd have continued his run. Solanke makes the right run to spread the play, but it's a much harder pass.
