the link is relevent whether you like to read it or not -- if you dont like reading it dont read it -- the link is there for everybody to read and adds a different perspective that is relative to the topic - http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/formula_one/15926791.stm
yeh ok , lets forget about button -- he himself has stated he likes understeer no point in repeating it any more , if there was a gain to " four wheel drifting " as you call it all the drivers would be doing it ,and as they are all world class drivers please dont tell me they cant , as they dont there clearly cant be a gain -- as for hamilton - i often see him locking up and a big cloud of smoke as he comes into a corner and thats about it --
well i have often see him doing it -- have noticed he has this trait or whatever you wish to call it ever since he entered F1 -- he probally isnt the only one , but i have noticed it more with hamilton than anybody else i can think of --
I have noticed Hamilton locking up his front tyres a lot, I'm no technical expert at all you'd need Cosicave for that. But from what I have heard this is an attempt at "trailbreaking" I believe its called. Some choose to break in a straight line, get the car down to the right speed allow the tyres to bite and then turn. In trailbreaking If I am right they put more break bias to the front when breaking and the begin to turn into a corner while still breaking, and this makes the front tyres bite more/quicker into the road and so give more front grip and better cornering. It takes more skill to do so and if the break bias is wrong or if the turing is too sudden or the breaks pressed for too long/ too hard the front inside tyre locks up and the effect is lost. I think that is correct, but Im more likely way of the mark lol Just too add if that is correct its easy too see a little mistake as smoke billows out of the tyre but when done correctly as he does for most of the lap its invisible so it doesn't look like he is doing anything special, its only noticeable when it goes wrong which isn't very often but is more memerable
whatever its called sea man , braking hard into a corner with a big cloud of smoke coming off them is not going to do the tyres alot of good --
And Lewis locks up far more than any other guy at the front, its not so common to see Button or Vettel lock up
Yep BLS is correct, I never said locking up the tyres helps. Please don't try and make what I said look stupid because you don't like a certain driver, I never said locking up helps!! I said locking up is a consequence of failing at a techinique that DOES help.
To be fair Saint, once Martial Xig has got past his Button blockage, he may have a small point. That said, I doubt the value in trying to explain brake-induced oversteer in this set up of a four-wheel drift - although it is just possible he may appreciate the need for a stiff tail-end, coupled with a rearward bias; which of course, increases the likelihood of punishing any back end.
no button blockage on my part cc -- button himself has said he likes understeer ---- dont make me show you the lnk again -- as for the rest of the mumbo jumbo -- if " four wheel drift " actually meant diddley sqat they would all do it - as they dont all do it --------------- it cant mean didley sqat to any of them or be of any benefit to any of them --
It's a McLaren car trait, not a driver trait. Button has done it a lot too this season. It has something to do with the very stiff suspension that McLaren run.
dont start making things up kyle -- button is one of the smoothest drivers out there and very rarely locks up . how can a slightly stiffer suspension be the cause of a car locking up -- does the suspension strut press the brake peddle then --
Xig: you ask very relevant questions sometimes but you never seem to listen to the answers! I feel that it would be pointless answering your very good question about stiffness influencing traction (and a loss of it). Incidentally, you've not made it clear which suspension strut are you referring to… You present arguments based upon your own intuition (presumably) with little or no understanding of the relevant technicalities. And then, when you are offered a genuine explanation, you simply mock it!
