Off Topic Politics Thread

Yes it was a poor campaign with those pointing out the huge downsides to brexshit being labelled as scaremongering lefties. I've actually heard a disgruntled leaver saying "this is not the brexit I voted for" when directed to a long queue for passport control.

 

Totally agree. There should be repercussions for the Cambridge Analytica as well as those who lied repeatedly.

But leave won the debate because remain were totally incompetent. They controlled the talking points, whilst Saint Corbyn allowed it to happen by refusing to collaborate across party lines.

 

Can’t believe you guys are still bitter about Brexit.

Get over it already. The early data is showing we are growing faster than the EU since it happened. So it could still be a good thing.

I voted remain but if there was another referendum I would vote to leave. And I know of many that feel the same.

 

I still think it wouldn't have happened if we weren't six years into austerity politics. Who could we blame? There was a general lashing out going on.

 

Lighten up pal you've put the P in pomposity right there.

 

Once again we agree completely...

However some still openly think it is because people are too stupid to see why they are wrong. Laughable!

 

I think that's a stretch. I remember polls in the 90s showing the UK population was narrowly in favour of leaving the EU and strongly opposed to joining the Euro. But for most people it wasn't at (or even near) the top of their priority list, as William Hague found when he pushed relatively hard on the issue. I think a Leave vote was always possible, maybe even likely, when and if people were specifically asked about the EU.

 

No it isn't.

 

No, I was very on the fence about my own choice. Immigration numbers were too high for my comfort level and I didn't like the way Europe had treated Greece.

But I did my own research and I came to realise we were the Man Utd of Europe. Soaking up all the cash and ensuring a "big six" existed which benefitted us more than others. I didn't like that such a thing was real but it was definitely better to have a seat at the decision making table than to step away.

 

Aren't we allowed to discuss its ongoing impact and the lessons we can learn from the decision?

As an anti-immigration guy, I would think you would want to be back in. We no longer have European agreements to remove people on small boats and the vast majority of immigrants are now more culturally alien to us than when most were Europeans?

 

Liking your last sentence. UK left a position of influence and respect, rule maker to rule taker.

 

Exactly that.

 

Still not one person has presented evidence of two-tier policing over the violence at the Notting Hill Carnival. Just saying.

Notting Hill Carnival: Three men charged after woman's stabbing - BBC News

 

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Labour bias (it’s in the name of the channel to be fair) view on the budget talk and whether it really would be “austerity”.

Mentions (not sure where the numbers come from) that 3% of people pay capital gains and 4% pay inheritance tax. Which is interesting and points to the “broadest shoulders” point

also notes the part already mentioned about there never being a promise not to raise taxes - tax rises were actually on page 1 of their manifesto

 

This report indicates that a wealth tax was successful in Spain and also mentions it having been used in some Scandinavian countries, without any negative consequences, such as rich people relocating.
Hidden money is one of the biggest issues that could reduce its success but it seems like some countries are trying to move towards a more transparent system that stops money from being hidden.

https://taxjustice.net/press/countr...on-by-copying-spains-wealth-tax-study-finds/#

 

Yeah rich people always threaten to leave. But the ones that actually do were likely planning it regardless. Most tax havens are boring. And America has all sorts of other issues depending on where you go.

I think there are details about people threatening to leave under Blair who didn’t. Things might be different now due to nature of our economy and relationship with Europe but that would have been the same under a Tory government. Would have potentially taken bribes in the form of tax breaks or those favourable government contracts to get them to stay - and I’m not sure we can afford too much more of that as a country

Note some of the big Brexit supporting business people like Dyson have offshored most of their businesses - under a Tory Brexit. So I’m not really having the idea that Labour will be to blame for rich people leaving

 

The rich don't leave? Hmmm.

Super-rich abandoning Norway at record rate as wealth tax rises slightly | Norway | The Guardian

 

Phil Collins has been threatening to leave since 1986

 

I saw something the other day about the top incremental tax rate in the USA in the 50s was (at one point) 92%. And this is the “golden age” that most US conservatives want to go back to. That or the Reagan 80s. Whether or not it truly existed

I can’t say I know whether our conservative movement has a similar golden age they wistfully look back to. I can’t imagine it’s the 50s because didn’t we still have rationing in the early 50s?